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I just want to have your views as a refresher for me about the differences
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Question Correction, Corrective Action, and Preventive Action differences - Internal Audits

Oh by the way guys, during our internal audit our sheet contains spaces for
correction, corrective action, and preventive action that must be filled up by the concerned party whenever there is a non-conformance.
Is correction really needed and why? can it be removed?

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Here you go...By the way if you'd use available references like ISO 9000 minor things like this wouldn't escape you.

3.6.4
preventive action

action to eliminate the cause of a potential nonconformity (3.6.2) or other undesirable potential situation
NOTE 1 There can be more than one cause for a potential nonconformity.
NOTE 2 Preventive action is taken to prevent occurrence whereas corrective action (3.6.5) is taken to prevent recurrence.


3.6.5
corrective action

action to eliminate the cause of a detected nonconformity (3.6.2) or other undesirable situation
NOTE 1 There can be more than one cause for a nonconformity.
NOTE 2 Corrective action is taken to prevent recurrence whereas preventive action (3.6.4) is taken to prevent occurrence.
NOTE 3 There is a distinction between correction (3.6.6) and corrective action.


3.6.6
correction

action to eliminate a detected nonconformity (3.6.2)
NOTE 1 A correction can be made in conjunction with a corrective action (3.6.5).
NOTE 2 A correction can be, for example, rework (3.6.7) or regrade (3.6.8).
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Oh by the way guys, during our internal audit our sheet contains spaces for
correction, corrective action, and preventive action that must be filled up by the concerned party whenever there is a non-conformance.
Is correction really needed and why? can it be removed?

Again many thanks in advanced.....
The answer Randy gave you in your other thread http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=19644 should also answer this one. You needed to be clear on the differences between the terms. When something does NOT apply, you can always just enter "NA"

The point is, "Sometimes" it will be applicable!
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I just want to have your views as a refresher for me about the differences
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I will try to explain with a small example. Suppose you have allergy to dust & catch cold & have fever.
1.Correction. You take medicine & get well. This is correction.
2.CA. From next time onwards you use methods so that you are not affected by dust.
3.PA. In the same case let us you are married & have a small son/daughter. As yet you do not know whether your baby also suffers from the same dust allergy. So you go the doctor & have a test conducted for your baby to check if your baby is also likely to suffer from the dust allergy in future.
Hope to some extent you have understtod the diiference.
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Default Re: Correction, Corrective Action, and Preventive Action differences - Internal Audit

Consider this Example:
You are walking on the road & find a banana skin on the road.
Impact: You will fall down if you stamp on it.

Correction: Jump over the banana skin or chanage the direction of walk.

Corrective Action: Throw the Banana skin to the road side so that next time u walk in, u dont fall.

Preventive Action: Throw the Banana skin in the Waste Bin to the road side so that no one else fall, including you.

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