Can an OEM like Honda, GM, Ford can get TS 16949 certification?

[Sidney Vianna]

In Reply to Parent Post by AndyN

FYI - The Hyundai assembly plant in Montgomery, Al just received its ISO/TS 16949 certificate.

Indeed. They have a press release about it.

DNV has certified numerous GM plants to ISO 9001 and a smaller number to TS-16949, including a vehicle assembly plant in Shangai.

[Randy]

In Reply to Parent Post by AndyN

FYI - The Hyundai assembly plant in Montgomery, Al just received its ISO/TS 16949 certificate. I believe that the MB plant in Tuscaloosa is also TS registered. The Hyundai plant has all functions, except car design, onsite, so it was a little easier.

Their customers are the car buyers. Why are you asking the question?

Andy

The customers aren't the car buyers, the manufacturer's direct customers are the dealerships. The people that buy the cars don't buy them from the manufacturer, they buy them from the dealer.

Certain conditions like warranties are through the manufacturing Corporation and not the manufacturing facililty.

[SilverHawk]

Ford Malaysia has been certifieid to ISO/TS 16949 few years ago and DCX Malaysia is planning to go for it with an OEM assembly plant in Pahang, Malaysia.... Just wondering how DCX is going to do it ??

[Paul Simpson]

In Reply to Parent Post by wak125

Can an OEM like Honda, GM, Ford can get TS 16949:2002 certification? If yes then who will be consider as their customer?

The VCA has certified a whole bunch of OEMs to TS.

When I was working at Jaguar they made the transition from QS to ISO TS. They also have 14k. There are a whole range of others - I will see if I can get a list.

[shamhaider]

Hi guys;
we are having interseting debate, how about a truck manufacturing facility that assembles trucks (1.5T to 4T) using chinese technology.but the problem is chinese are not providing technology e.g. math data., drawings.instead they only provide the reference sample parts and the company has to reverse engineer it to develop those parts locally.This plant is in pakistan.and almost 70% parts are developed locally(without any drawing,CAD, MATH data)..now this facilty wants TS 16949..I am doing some research on this now adays..i need comments feedback from all of you..Thanks

[Sean Kelley]

When we went through our TS registration audit we needed to show evidence that a customer was requiring TS certification of our company. Even the weak encourage TS certification was not enough it had to be a customer specific requirement (CSR). Who requires GM to be TS certified when they are assembling a car?

The Ford plants I have been to could not pass a TS audit. They have very strict and good supplier CSR's but they themselves did not follow most of the basics. I have not been to Honda or GM.

[Paul Simpson]

In Reply to Parent Post by shamhaider

Hi guys;
we are having interseting debate, how about a truck manufacturing facility that assembles trucks (1.5T to 4T) using chinese technology.but the problem is chinese are not providing technology e.g. math data., drawings.instead they only provide the reference sample parts and the company has to reverse engineer it to develop those parts locally.This plant is in pakistan.and almost 70% parts are developed locally(without any drawing,CAD, MATH data)..now this facilty wants TS 16949..I am doing some research on this now adays..i need comments feedback from all of you..Thanks

Hi, Shamhaider. You probably want to start another thread for this one! Otherwise it will get lost in all the other information about OEM certification.

Following on from my earlier post the following is some old data I have retrieved. It is from the early days of TS2 do I am sure the list is a lot longer.

Jaguar Cars Limited Castle Bromwich Assembly Plant ISO/TS 16949:2002
Jaguar Cars Limited Halewood Stamping & Asembly ISO/TS 16949:2002
Jaguar Cars Limited Whitley Engineering Centre ISO/TS 16949:2002
Volkswagen A.G. VOLKSWAGEN Autoeuropa Quinta da ISO/TS 16949:2002
Land Rover Group Limited Solihull ISO/TS 16949:2002
Land Rover Group Limited Oxford Plant ISO/TS 16949:2002

All the Ford plants in the US are down as ISO 9001.2000.

[vanputten]

From the IATF FAQ's on who can be registered to TS:

"This Technical Specification is applicable to sites of the organization where production and/or service parts specified by the customer are manufactured."

Who is the customer that is specifying the production or service parts for the auto OEM? It could be the dealer.

The above is not a leading question. I have no idea what the answer is.

Thank you,

Dirk