The Cove Business Standards Discussion Forums More Free Files Forum Discussion Thread Post Attachments Listing Cove Discussion Forums Main Page
UL - Underwriters Laboratories - Health Sciences
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Business Systems and Standards Discussion Forums > Common Quality Assurance Processes and Tools > Definitions, Acronyms, Abbreviations and Interpretations
Forum Username

Elsmar Cove Forum Visitor Notice(s)

Wooden Line

1st, 2nd and 3rd Party Audits - Definition


Elsmar XML RSS Feed
Elsmar Cove Forum RSS Feed

Monitor the Elsmar Forum
Sponsor Links



Courtesy Quick Links

Links that Cove visitors will find useful in your quest for knowledge:


International Standards Bodies - World Wide Standards Bodies

ASQ - American Society for Quality

International Standards Organization - ISO Standards and Information

Howard's
International Quality Services

Marcelo Antunes'
SQR Consulting, and
Medical Devices Expert Forum

Bob Doering
Bob Doering's Blogs and,
Correct SPC - Precision Machining

NIST's Engineering Statistics Handbook

IRCA - International Register of Certified Auditors

SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers

Quality Digest

IEST - Institute of Environmental Sciences and Technology


Related Topic Tags
audits and auditing, first party audit, second party audit, third party audits and auditing
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rating: Thread Rating: 1 votes, 4.00 average. Display Modes
  Post Number #1  
Old 18th May 2007, 09:41 AM
CarolX's Avatar
CarolX

 
 
Total Posts: 2,169
Let Me Help You 1st, 2nd and 3rd Party Audits - Definition

Hi All -

I thought I would start this thread to clear my mind on what a 1st, 2nd and 3rd party audit is. My confusion stems from some confusing posts and threads about contracting internal auditors, and then refering to them as 3rd party.

Here is my definition

1st party - A regular, full or part time employee of the company.

2nd party - An independent contractor hired by the company to perform internal audits.

3rd party - An auditor employed by the Registrar to perform registration and surveliance audits.


I looked in the Wiki for this definition and couldn't find anything. Maybe after discussion we can add.

Thanks all!!

Sponsored Links
  Post Number #2  
Old 18th May 2007, 09:55 AM
jem63's Avatar
jem63

 
 
Total Posts: 69
Re: Definition of 1st, 2nd and 3rd party audits

Hiring an auditor to perform your internal audits would still be considered an internal 1st party audit.

a 2nd party audit would be an audit by a commercial consumer.
Sponsored Links

  Post Number #3  
Old 18th May 2007, 09:56 AM
GStough's Avatar
GStough

 
 
Total Posts: 1,139
Re: Definition of 1st, 2nd and 3rd party audits

Hi CarolX,

An addition: 2nd party can also include supplier audits, as I understand it.

  Post Number #4  
Old 18th May 2007, 09:58 AM
BradM's Avatar
BradM

 
 
Total Posts: 5,871
Re: Definition of 1st, 2nd and 3rd party audits

Good idea, Carol.

Paraphrased from the ASQ CQA primer:

INTERNAL:
First party audit are typically internal audits.

EXTERNAL:
Second party audits typically involve the customer auditing the supplier.

Third party audits are done by "outsiders", and have no affiliation with the auditee.
Thank You to BradM for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
  Post Number #5  
Old 18th May 2007, 10:13 AM
AndyN's Avatar
AndyN

 
 
Total Posts: 8,459
Thumbs up Re: Definition of 1st, 2nd and 3rd party audits

What Brad posted are the classical definitions.

However the water's muddied a little, when people like me, do audits of clients' quality systems instead of them using their own employees (because, really we're '3 party' auditors - we are paid just like them, we aren't on the organization's 'payroll' and we aren't their customer, either).

Maybe it's time to change the definitions?
  Post Number #6  
Old 18th May 2007, 10:17 AM
Randy's Avatar
Randy

 
 
Total Posts: 8,407
Re: Definition of 1st, 2nd and 3rd party audits

Here's what I teach:

1st Party - An internal audit that an organization performs on itself

2nd Party - An external audit that an organization performs on a supplier of goods or services

3rd Party - An external audit that is conducted by an independant organization upon another organization.
  Post Number #7  
Old 18th May 2007, 10:18 AM
ScottK's Avatar
ScottK

 
 
Total Posts: 2,584
Re: Definition of 1st, 2nd and 3rd party audits

Check this out Carol

http://elsmar.com/pdf_files/Audit_E.pdf

Marc has it all defined for us on slide 12
Thank You to ScottK for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
  Post Number #8  
Old 18th May 2007, 10:18 AM
SteelMaiden's Avatar
SteelMaiden

 
 
Total Posts: 4,195
Re: Definition of 1st, 2nd and 3rd party audits

Quote:
In Reply to Parent Post by AndyN View Post

when people like me, do audits of clients' quality systems instead of them using their own employees (because, really we're '3 party' auditors - we are paid just like them, we aren't on the organization's 'payroll' and we aren't their customer, either).

Maybe it's time to change the definitions?
No, but you are "rented" to take the place of an employee for the duration of the audit. Not to say that the definitions couldn't be tweaked, but is there really a value in it?
Reply

Lower Navigation Bar
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Business Systems and Standards Discussion Forums > Common Quality Assurance Processes and Tools > Definitions, Acronyms, Abbreviations and Interpretations

Bookmarks


Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors (Members) and 1 Unregistered Guest Visitors)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Forum Search
Display Modes Rate Thread Content
Rate Thread Content:

Forum Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Discussion Threads
Discussion Thread Title Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post or Poll Vote
Conducting Internal Audits vs. Third Party (Registrar) Audits Marc Internal Auditing 11 5th August 2014 08:39 AM
Second party audits - Supplier audits or product audits? selena15 Internal Auditing 7 14th September 2010 06:24 AM
When do 3rd Party audits turn to 2nd party audits? Leaf Fan Customer and Company Specific Requirements 1 6th May 2005 03:57 PM
3rd Party Audits and Clause 8.2.2 MrPhish Auditing Discussions 38 24th April 2002 03:58 PM
System Audits vs. Process Audits - A clear definition of the differences between each Alf Gulford Process Audits and Layered Process Audits 2 27th February 2001 04:18 PM



The time now is 01:17 PM. All times are GMT -4.
Your time zone can be changed in your UserCP --> Options.


 
 


NOTE: This forum uses "Cookies"