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5th May 2001, 04:43 AM
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PFMEA differences between QS and VDA
In VDA 4.2 the criteria for PFMEA are for severity:
10 Safety risk, non-compliance with statutary
9 provisions, Conked-out vehicle.
Large
8 Operability of vehicle considerably
7 impaired. Immediate inspection at garage is urgently required. Restricted functioning of important subsystems.
Moderate
6 Operability of vehicle impaired.
5 Immediate inspection at garage
4 is not urgently required. Restricted functioning of important comfort and convenience systems.
Low
3 Minor restriction of operability of the
2 vehivle, Clearing at next scheduled inspection in garage, Minor restrictions of comfort and conveniences systems.
Very low
1 Very minor restriction of operability, discernible only by the skilled personnel
Whereas in The AIAG book they are :
May endanger machine or assembly operator. Very high severity ranking when a potential failure mode affects safe vehicle operation and/or involves noncompli ance with government regulation. Failure will occur without warning.
May endanger machine or assembly operator. Very high severity ranking when a potential failure mode affects safe vehicle operation and/or involves noncompli ance with government regulation. Failure will occur with warning.
Major disruption to production line. 100% of product may have to be scrapped Vehicle/item inoperable, loss of primary function. Customer very dissatisfied.
Minor disruption to production line. Product may have to be sorted and a portion (less than f 00% ) scrapped. Vehicle operable, but at a reduced level of perfor mance. Customer dissatisfied.
Minor disruption to production line. A portion (less than 100%) of the product may have to be scrapped (no sorting). Vehicle/item operable, but some Comfort? Convenience item(s) inoperable. Customers expenences discomfort.
Minor disruption to production line. 100% of product may have to be reworked. Vehicle/item operable, but some Comfort/Convenience Item(s) operable at reduced level of performance. Customer experiences some dissatisfaction.
Minor disruption to p reduction line. The product may have to be sorted and a portion (less than 100%) reworked. Fit & Finish/Squeak & Rattle item does not conform. Defect noticed by most customers.
Minor disruption to production line. A portion (less than 100%) of the product may have to be reworked on-line but out-of-station. Fit & Finish/Squeak & Rattle item does not conform. Defect noticed by average customers.
Minor disruption to production line. A portion (less than 100%) of the product have to be reworked on-line but in-station. Fit & Finish/Squeak & Rattle Item may does not conform. Detect noticed by discriminating customers.
No effect.
As can be seen in QS there is a relationship to the production line as well as the vehicle. Does this mean that in VDA one only has to refer to the finished product and if you are a tier not refer to what effect there is on your customer.
Can any one offer explanations.
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5th May 2001, 06:32 AM
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I don't have a copy of VDA 4.2, but are you sure those are for the PFMEA (see http://Elsmar.com/FMEA/sld128.htm ) and not the DFMEA (see http://Elsmar.com/FMEA/sld073.htm )?
Note the PFMEA has some commonality to the MFMEA (see http://Elsmar.com/FMEA/sld093.htm ).
Typically the DFMEA addresses vehicle (system) failures while the PFMEA addresses process failures.
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6th May 2001, 01:47 AM
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Marc ,
I am sure that these are PFMEA see http://www.iqualitys.com/pfmeavda.pdf
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6th May 2001, 07:47 AM
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I'm out for this round then - I haven't seen a PFMEA ranking like that before.
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19th March 2004, 11:42 AM
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Any new thoughts on this oldie?
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