Corrective and Preventive Action definitions - ISO 9001 vs. ISO 14001

Hi Marc

I forgot my password. The last time I visited your forum was a few years ago at that time I was involved in the ISO 9001 and FDA forum. I remember Don Winton, but I dont see his name any more. My user name was Monica Lewis (but I am still the same person I have only added my middle name). Today I working as an internal auditor. The company wants me to conduct internal audits according to ISO 9001 and 14001. I have been working a lot with ISO 9001. I have run into a problem regarding the definition of corrective and preventive action. I know that ISO 9001 has a standard regarding this definition and somebody told me that ISO 14001 also has a standard regarding the terminology. Is the definition (corrective and preventive action) the same in both standards or is it different?

[outoftown]

ISO 8402 is the document for definitions of terminology in ISO 9001 which includes the definitions for CA and PA. I'm not familiar enough with EMS to know if they are the same. Based on an ISO 14000 Resource Directory I have, Corrective Action is "Any action taken to eliminate a nonconformance or deficiency in a system, especially addressing the root cause of that nonconformance". It certainly sounds similar. However, no info on preventive action in this book, only on prevention of pollution. Does anyone know if there is a definitions document like ISO 8402 for EMS? I am also curious.


[This message has been edited by outoftown (edited 07 April 2001).]

Somebody told me that EMS has a terminology standard called 14050. Does it define corrective and preventive action? I would be happy if anyone in that case cite the definition.
Monica

[Marc]

I've never heard of 14050. Has anyone else?

[Jim Biz]

A web search produced this from what reads to be a pre-1998 webpage identification.. I've not seen one - nor do I know if it ever actually was published..

http://www.ansi.org - It was in /public/iso14000/docs/14050.html

ISO 14050 This document, when completed, will collect and compile into one glossary-type document all terms and definitions provided in the individual standards of the ISO 14000 series.

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Environmental management - Vocabulary

[Marc]

Dormant for nearly 4 years, eh? I wonder if it's still on the agenda for completion. Maybe it's dead meat. My current understanding is the roadmap for 9001 and 14001 is that they will be merged next round. Several years down the road, but none the less.

Originally posted by Marc
My current understanding is the roadmap for 9001 and 14001 is that they will be merged next round. Several years down the road, but none the less.

Marc,

Can you elaborate on that statement? Would it be to suggest that if you are registered to ISO9001:2000, you will have to register to 14001?

[Marc]

Originally posted by Pilot

Hi Marc

I forgot my password. The last time I visited your forum was a few years ago at that time I was involved in the ISO 9001 and FDA forum. I remember Don Winton, but I dont see his name any more. My user name was Monica Lewis (but I am still the same person I have only added my middle name). Today I working as an internal auditor.

If you're still around, you can have your password e-mailed to you. Your record was imported from the old forums softwear and you're listed as 'registered'.

Don Winton - a favourite of mine. Don's still here but goes by dWizard. Went through some life changes and lurks but told me he doesn't have the free time to participate any more. Don's contributions are an integral part of the early forums - I miss his participation a lot.

Yup - I remember you well. You joined waaaaay back in October 1998 and your last post was on 3 December 1999.

Stop by any time. Yup - we're still here!