ISO DIS 9001:2000 - Interim Standard

One day left for delivery of DIS. Will it be on time? I am still confused about some of the allignmnet of the old 4.10,4.12, and 4.9. Are 4.10 and 4.12 now combined under 8.2.3? And how is 4.9 split up? I am implementing a Quality Management System in a company that is new to ISO so we are documenting it in the revised format.

As usual, thank you in advance.

[David Mullins]

As you may have read elsewhere, and I can confirm for you (as I am holding it in my hand - THE STANDARD), Australia has already (November 15th) published the ISO/DIS 9001:2000 standard as an Australian and New Zealand Interim Standard.

[Roger Eastin]

I'm not sure how you get a hold of the Australian version, but in the States I think you'll have to wait for ASQ and/or ANSI to publish it. The last that I read on this is that it will be late November or December before it is published here. Since this is the last day of November and there doesn't appear to be any sign of it yet, December is our month! Maybe our Australian colleagues could answer any specific questions that you have, though.

[Marc]

I got the CD2 draft from BSI - but it was expensive - like US$50 or so. I haven't really looked yet for the 'latest'.

There is a matrix near the front of the CD2 draft which 'aligns' the 2000 version with the 1994 revision.

[David Mullins]

In regard to Karen's original alignment problem, ISO/DIS 9001:2000 provides the matrix at Annex B. '1994' clause 4.10 corresponds to 7.1 + 7.5.1 + 8.1 + 8.2.4 of '2000'. clause 4.12 corresponds to 7.5.1
I'd suggest that one system level procedure would cover the field for these for most companies.
4.9 corresponds to 7.1 + 7.5.1 + 7.5.5

P.S. some of the clauses/requirements have been deleted and softened from CD2.

Standards Australia also has a handbook which explains the changes from ISO 9001:1994 to ISO/DIS 9001:2000.

[James Gutherson]

As David said, the standard is out in Australia as an 'interim standard', meaning you have to you pay for it rather than getting a free copy of the DIS. That aside you can download a copy of 9001 from the Australian Standards Association website at ***DEAD LINK REMOVED*** for A$30.60 which is about US$20 at the moment or you can get 9004, which has all the elements from 9001 and goes further into the contineous improvement side of things, for A$42.30 (US$27).
The copy of 9004 does'nt have the conversion matrix however, maybe David can tell us if 9001 does, but I would think that 4.10 (Inspection and Testing) and 4.12 (Inspection and Test Status) would now be covered by 8.2.3 (Measurement and Monitoring or Product). BTW my copy of 9004 shows it's own item 8.2.3 as 'Measurement and monitoring of product', but it shows the 9001 item 8.2.3 as 'M & m of processes'. I think this is a misprint. Anyway I feel 4.10 and 4.12 would fall under 'M & m of product' what ever it's number.
As to 4.9 (Process Control) it is really covered in several places in 7 (Product Realization) (Note how ISO have corrupted our spelling of 'realiSation'). 7.1 addresses the Planning aspect from 4.9, 7.5 looks at the procedures for producing, verifying, delivering and servicing the product. We now jump out to 6.3 and 6.4 for the facilities and work environment and then over to 8.2.3 (or what ever) for measurment and monitioring of the product before coming back to 75. for maintenance of the equipment.
That's my interpretation anyway.
My advice, don't get to hung up about the numbers and which pidgeon hole to put them into, you probably do most of the things asked for anyway or you wouldn't be in business. Read the paragraph, work out what the intent, and ask your self "How do we handle that?"
The new structure is, to me anyway, far more logical and easier to follow and a big improvement. (It's actually 90% in line with the way I structured my system 2 years ago, well done ISO!)

[Roger Eastin]

For those of you in the States, the following might be of interest:

"Mid-Week Announcements from the ISO 9000:2000 Discussion Group

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December 1, 1999

FIRST NOTE: Many of you have been asking when the draft international
standard ISO 9001:2000 will be available to the public. The ASQ in the
United States called me yesterday to say that January 15, 2000 is the
official release date in this country. Mark your calendars and call them
at 800-248-1946 to get a copy."

So much for December, but at least we have a date!!

[Marc]

Damn! You beat me to posting that, Roger! You're FAST!I just did get the e-mail!