Manufacturing Process Audits (TS16949) - are Turtle diagrams really helpful?

[Pradeep Ravipati]

Hope this doen't sound stupid.....

I am about to start off our internal product/process audit and I trying to create a turtle diagram for each major process step in the process flow. I am doing it with a thought that it would help me during my audit process. Am I wasting too much time creating the turtle diagrams or does it actually help during my internal audits.

Appreciate your feedback.

Thanks.

[Stijloor]

In Reply to Parent Post by Pradeep Ravipati

Hope this doen't sound stupid.....

I am about to start off our internal product/process audit and I trying to create a turtle diagram for each major process step in the process flow. I am doing it with a thought that it would help me during my audit process. Am I wasting too much time creating the turtle diagrams or does it actually help during my internal audits.

Appreciate your feedback.

Thanks.

Hello Pradeep,

Turtle diagrams are not required, but can be of help in preparing for an audit. Before an audit, the auditor has to develop an understanding of the process in terms of inputs, outputs and process controls. I found them to be helpful. If I were you, I would do a trial run first. Develop a diagram for a (critical) process, conduct the audit. Find out if it worked for you.

Search The Cove for discussions about Turtle Diagrams. Interesting!

Stijloor.

[Stijloor]

In Reply to Parent Post by Pradeep Ravipati

Hope this doen't sound stupid.....

I am about to start off our internal product/process audit and I trying to create a turtle diagram for each major process step in the process flow. I am doing it with a thought that it would help me during my audit process. Am I wasting too much time creating the turtle diagrams or does it actually help during my internal audits.

Appreciate your feedback.

Thanks.

Hello Pradeep,

My answer is in this post.

Stijloor.

[delorfra]

My post has been moved to this thread by mistake, I've moved it back to the corrrect thread : "Product Audit Process Requirements - Clause 8.2.2.3 "

[Helmut Jilling]

In Reply to Parent Post by Pradeep Ravipati

Hope this doen't sound stupid.....

I am about to start off our internal product/process audit and I trying to create a turtle diagram for each major process step in the process flow. I am doing it with a thought that it would help me during my audit process. Am I wasting too much time creating the turtle diagrams or does it actually help during my internal audits.

Appreciate your feedback.

Thanks.

I find them to be useful in doing system level audits. It helps auditors understand the process approach. However, for manufacturing process audits, I recommend using your control for that process. Audit each important item on the control plan, gages, controls, isnpsections, specs, whatever is listed. It will help you do a beneficial review.