Kyoto Communique and Status

[David Mullins]

NEWS RELEASE
For Immediate Release July 7, 2000

ISO 9001:2000, ISO 9004:2000 AND
ISO 9000:2000 ADVANCE TO FDIS STAGE

Kyoto, Japan. At its meeting today in Kyoto, Subcommittee
(SC) 2, Quality Systems, of ISO Technical Committee 176,
Quality Management and Quality Assurance, voted in plenary
session to elevate the drafts of ISO 9001:2000, Quality
management systems-Requirements, and ISO 9004:2000, Quality
management systems-Guidelines for performance improvements,
to the Final Draft International Standard (FDIS) stage. In
addition, SC 1, Concepts and Terminology, voted to elevate
ISO 9000:2000, Quality management systems-Fundamentals and
vocabulary, to FDIS status.

There was only one negative vote cast by a participating
member body (P-member) on the elevation of ISO 9001 (Japan)
to FDIS and one on ISO 9004 (France), despite the fact that
there were nine votes of disapproval on each draft in the
balloting concluded in April. This reflects the extensive
work accomplished during the past several weeks to fully
address the comments of the P-members as well as an
extensive process during the meetings in Kyoto to ensure
that all comments were fully discussed and resolved to the
greatest extent possible. All of the US concerns were
resolved to the satisfaction of the delegation.

The FDIS stage for an ISO standard involves a circulation
to the P-members, for an up-or-down vote on approval of the
FDIS for publication as an International Standard. Unlike
earlier stages, members do not provide comments with their
votes, since no further revisions are to be made.

The three FDISs will be edited over the coming weeks by the
subcommittees in cooperation with the ISO Central
Secretariat and are expected to be available for ballot by
the P-members in early September. The target date for
issuance of the revised standards remains mid-November.


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They're going to make the by god Nov schedule! WOW!

Dave

[Al the Elf]

Of course....undoubtedly the committee had meeting the delivery date as one of the key customer needs, and hence has designed a system (sorry - set of processes) to assure delivery ! The big question will still be, are we customers, satisfied ?

[Roger Eastin]

Has anyone been able to corroborate David's News Release? I did a quick search but was unable to find anything.

Yesterday I took part in the conference of "ISO/TC176 Kyoto Plenary Meeting".
I heard same INFO as David wrote above.
The impression I had was that establishing compatibility with ISO14K affects a lot to ISO9K. (I mean, ISO9K is going to lose the focus on Quality Assurance.)

[Russ Jackson]

For those interested, the official ISO Press Release on this matter can be found at the ISO website http://www.iso.ch - Link was: /presse/9000fdis.htm - This press release echos the actions of the ISO TC 176 and SC 2 relative to adoption of the FDIS for which the details are posted on this BB at TC 176/SC 2 Communique

[Marc]

From: "Scott P. Duncan"
Newsgroups: misc.industry.quality
Subject: Status of ISO 9000:2000
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:00:59 -0400

ASQ's Quality Progress magazine for August states (pg. 28) that the drafts, as of the Kyoto meeting, have passed the vote to be elevated to FDIS status which means the next vote will be a Yes/No for the revision to become an IS. Though numerous No votes came out of the last ballot (April), only Japan voted against 9001 and only France voted against 9004. The article attributes this to "extensive work during the past several weeks to address comments provided with those votes."

The FDIS versions will be edited and prepared for balloting in "early September" with mid-November as the "target dates for issuance of the revised standards."

-- Scott P. Duncan

[Marc]

From: ISO Standards Discussion
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:20:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Kyoto Communique /Oliveira/Arter

From: Dennis Arter

Marcos Oliveira asked:

> I could not understand 3000 individual comments. I heard
> that the comments to the standard should only be done
> through national standards organizations. In this case,
> should be only 130 comments.
>
> Is it possible to send individual comments? To whom may I
> send?

The 3,000 individual comments all came through the national representatives to ISO Technical Committee 176. True, each nation only has one vote. But along with those national votes were many, many comments. For example, the USA took great effort to solicit individual comments. We allowed people to purchase the draft standards and provided a template for transmitting comments to the national committee. Our national committee (we call it a "Technical Advisory Group" or TAG) then looked at each and every individual comment to see if it was appropriate. (Frankly, some were very stupid and showed a lack of knowledge on quality management systems.) Prior to the ISO deadline, the USA sent in one vote for each of the draft standards, PLUS a few hundred individual comments. Other nations of the world did something quite similar.

Not all nations have the the same degree of participation. For some nations, the process is quite open. For some nations, only a chosen few participate. Different cultures.

It is NOT permissible to send in individual comments. You MUST go through your national representatives. The whole thing is a mute point now for Final Draft International Standards (FDISs) 9000, 9001, and 9004. The FDIS rules allow for only a yes or no vote. No comments.

This is a fairly recent concept. In the past, a Draft International Standard (DIS) was published, votes were taken, comments were received, and changes were made. The next thing we knew, the final standard came out and it had big changes. The finished document wasn't at all like the one that went through the ballot. People were upset. Rightly so. ISO changed the rules to require the final and typeset version to go through a very quick vote, to make sure that the editing processes did not change the original intent. The new approach seems to be working.

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Dennis R. Arter