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How to Calculate RPN in Design FMEA (DFMEA) vs. Process FMEA (PFMEA)
Hi,
In FMEA normally we'll calcualte the RPN as Sev x Occ x Det,
but recently I came to know that in DFMEA the RPN calculation method is slightly difference. i.e.
First Calulate RPN for Failure Mode (RPN FM = Sev (Max) x Occ X Det(FM))
and then RPN for causes,
but in calculating RPN for causes, I was told the formula as
RPN C = Sev (max) x Occ x Det (Min (FM, Causes)
Example
Assuming
for Failure mode RPN FM = 5 X 5X 3 = 125
for cause 1 suppose if i get Sev = 5, Occ=5 and Det = 4,
I normally calculate as 5 x 5 x 4,
but i was told to calculate as 5 x 5 x 3(Det of FM)
is there any reference to this method???
nsr

19th March 2008, 08:16 AM


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Re: How to Calculate RPN in Design FEMA (DFMEA) vs. Process FMEA (PFMEA)
Good morning,
I'm not quite sure where you found/heard that calculation for RPN but it should be the same (S)x(O)x(D)=RPN (severity x occurrence x detection = risk priority number) no matter if it's a DFMEA or PFMEA. Then again, maybe I'm not understanding the question
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19th March 2008, 08:43 AM


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Re: How to Calculate RPN in Design FEMA (DFMEA) vs. Process FMEA (PFMEA)
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In Reply to Parent Post by nsraj
Hi,
In FMEA normally we'll calcualte the RPN as Sev x Occ x Det,
but recently I came to know that in DFMEA the RPN calculation method is slightly difference. i.e.
First Calulate RPN for Failure Mode (RPN FM = Sev (Max) x Occ X Det(FM))
and then RPN for causes,
but in calculating RPN for causes, I was told the formula as
RPN C = Sev (max) x Occ x Det (Min (FM, Causes)
Example
Assuming
for Failure mode RPN FM = 5 X 5X 3 = 125
for cause 1 suppose if i get Sev = 5, Occ=5 and Det = 4,
I normally calculate as 5 x 5 x 4,
but i was told to calculate as 5 x 5 x 3(Det of FM)
is there any reference to this method???
nsr

I've never seen anything like it, and it seems to be a needless overcomplication of an already dubious practice.
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19th March 2008, 09:45 AM

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Re: How to Calculate RPN in Design FMEA (DFMEA) vs. Process FMEA (PFMEA)
Hi Jim
Thanx for the reply, me too thought the same, but wanna know if realy anything is there like that or not. If anybody come across such info pls pass it on
and Valeri,
let me put it in other way, do we need to calculate RPN for "Failure mode" Separately and RPN for its "causes" separately???

19th March 2008, 09:50 AM


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Re: How to Calculate RPN in Design FMEA (DFMEA) vs. Process FMEA (PFMEA)
Quote:
In Reply to Parent Post by nsraj
Hi Jim
Thanx for the reply, me too thought the same, but wanna know if realy anything is there like that or not. If anybody come across such info pls pass it on
and Valeri,
let me put it in other way, do we need to calculate RPN for "Failure mode" Separately and RPN for its "causes" separately???

You said that you "came to know" this methodfrom where? Unless you have a customer that requires it or you can find some utility in it in your own application, I would just stick to the SxOxD method and be done with it.
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12th November 2012, 09:52 PM

Shy Poster (1 to 5 Posts)




Re: How to Calculate RPN in Design FMEA (DFMEA) vs. Process FMEA (PFMEA)
Hi
I have a slightly different doubt about RPN:
RPN=S x O x D
If S is more which is bad, is given maximum rating.
If O is more which is bad, is given maximum rating.
If D is more, which is good (prevents failure from reaching the customer), should we not give minimum rating?
This way priority will have balanced scale.
I know my thought does not tally with our conventional method of calculating RPN.
Please advice.

13th November 2012, 12:24 AM


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Re: How to Calculate RPN in Design FMEA (DFMEA) vs. Process FMEA (PFMEA)
Quote:
In Reply to Parent Post by parallel
Hi
I have a slightly different doubt about RPN:
RPN=S x O x D
If S is more which is bad, is given maximum rating.
If O is more which is bad, is given maximum rating.
If D is more, which is good (prevents failure from reaching the customer), should we not give minimum rating?
This way priority will have balanced scale.
I know my thought does not tally with our conventional method of calculating RPN.
Please advice.

Without getting into the semantics, please refer whichever rating criteria you have. I am sure it says 'lower the better' for Detection rating as well.
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13th November 2012, 08:21 PM

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Re: How to Calculate RPN in Design FMEA (DFMEA) vs. Process FMEA (PFMEA)
Thank you. However my doubt still remains.

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