Elsmar Cove Forum Header Graphic The Elsmar Cove Wiki More Free Files The Elsmar Cove Forums Discussion Thread Index Post Attachments Listing Failure Modes Services and Solutions to Problems Elsmar cove Forums Main Page Elsmar Cove Home Page
NQA-USA
NQA-USA
Miner's MSA (Measurement Systems Analysis) Blog 
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > ISO (International Organization for Standardization) Standards > ISO 14001 and Environmental Related Standards
Forum Username

Search the Elsmar Cove
Search Elsmar
Monitor the Elsmar Forum
Follow Marc & Elsmar
Elsmar Cove Forum RSS Feed  Marc Smith's Google+ Page  Marc Smith's Linked In Page   Marc Smith's Elsmar Cove YouTube Page  Marc Smith's Facebook Page  Elsmar Cove Twitter Feed
Elsmar Cove Groups
Elsmar Cove Google+ Group  Elsmar Cove LinkedIn Group  Elsmar Cove Facebook Group
Donate and $ Contributor Forum Access
Courtesy Quick Links

Links that Elsmar Cove visitors will find useful in your quest for knowledge:

Howard's
International Quality Services
Marcelo Antunes'
SQR Consulting
Bob Doering's
Correct SPC - Precision Machining

NIST's Engineering Statistics Handbook
IRCA - International Register of Certified Auditors
SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers
Quality Digest Portal
IEST - Institute of Environmental Sciences and Technology
ASQ - American Society for Quality
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Content Display Modes
  #1  
Old 9th April 2008, 07:15 AM
Grusha Grusha is offline
Involved in Discussions

 
Registration Date: Apr 2008
Location: London
 
Posts: 20
Thanks Given to Others: 19
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
Karma Power: 29
Karma: 15
Grusha has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Please Help! Environmental Issues - Indirect (influence)/ Direct Aspects

Hello everyone, this is my first time using the forum and would be really grateful for any inputs

ISO14001 was pushed through really quickly where I work and certification achieved, however, I am now finding myself going back through all the documentation to get it up to standard.

Looking at the Aspect Register, it is not clearly stated whether aspects are direct or indirect and I want to put this right. We are a small office based organisation over 8 locations, with around 300 people so aspects are limited to things such as energy usage / natural resource usage / travel etc.

I understand that direct aspects are ones that you have control over and indirect are ones that you can influence e.g. natural resource usage is direct as we have control over how much paper etc that we use.

When I apply this to a key aspect of ours which concerns energy used by delegates attending events (their travel, venue energy etc) it seems to be a bit grey as we can influence delegates to use our carshare scheme and assess the venues we use for energy efficiency but ultimately we control the amount of events we put on... should I just state that it is both direct and indirect?

Thank you!


Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 9th April 2008, 08:10 AM
Randy's Avatar
Randy Randy is offline
Super Moderator

 
Registration Date: Jun 1999
Location: Greenwood (Ft Smith area), Arkansas, USA
Age: 63
 
Posts: 8,247
Thanks Given to Others: 48
Thanked 2,722 Times in 1,670 Posts
Karma Power: 927
Karma: 20192
Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Send a message via Skype™ to Randy
Re: Indirect / Direct Aspects

Answer this....What do we have control or influence over? That's all that really matters. Don't make it any more complicated than it has to be.

__________________

We who have seen war, will never stop seeing it. In the silence of the night, we will always hear the screams. Joe Galloway
Thank You to Randy for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
Sponsored Links

  #3  
Old 9th April 2008, 08:17 AM
db's Avatar
db db is offline
Where's the shall?

 
Registration Date: Jul 2001
Location: Plymouth, MI
Age: 58
 
Posts: 2,574
Thanks Given to Others: 432
Thanked 473 Times in 301 Posts
Karma Power: 321
Karma: 5165
db is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
db is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.db is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.db is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.db is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.db is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.db is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.db is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.db is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.db is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.db is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.db is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.db is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.db is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Re: Indirect / Direct Aspects

First of all, welcome Grusha!

As Randy said, don't make this too complicated. You do not have to classify aspects as to direct and indirect. But if you want to clasify, then you probably will have some aspects that fit into both direct and indirect classifications.

__________________

Dave B (the other Dave)
Thank You to db for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
  #4  
Old 9th April 2008, 08:45 AM
Grusha Grusha is offline
Involved in Discussions

 
Registration Date: Apr 2008
Location: London
 
Posts: 20
Thanks Given to Others: 19
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
Karma Power: 29
Karma: 15
Grusha has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Thumbs up Re: Indirect / Direct Aspects

Thank you both, I have a habit of not being able to see the wood for the trees!
  #5  
Old 9th April 2008, 06:25 PM
Randy's Avatar
Randy Randy is offline
Super Moderator

 
Registration Date: Jun 1999
Location: Greenwood (Ft Smith area), Arkansas, USA
Age: 63
 
Posts: 8,247
Thanks Given to Others: 48
Thanked 2,722 Times in 1,670 Posts
Karma Power: 927
Karma: 20192
Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Send a message via Skype™ to Randy
Re: Indirect (influence)/ Direct Aspects

You'll do fine.

Just remember to determine the environmental impact on the trees and the woods

__________________

We who have seen war, will never stop seeing it. In the silence of the night, we will always hear the screams. Joe Galloway
  #6  
Old 10th April 2008, 09:04 AM
SteelMaiden's Avatar
SteelMaiden SteelMaiden is offline
Super Moderator

 
Registration Date: Jan 2001
Location: NC, USA
 
Posts: 4,191
Thanks Given to Others: 575
Thanked 1,387 Times in 847 Posts
Karma Power: 497
Karma: 11454
SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.SteelMaiden is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Re: Environmental Issues - Indirect (influence)/ Direct Aspects

Welcome to the Cove!

As you have already heard, you do not have to classify direct and indirect. In all truthfulness I've just simplified my life by thinking, "can I influence it or not?"

You will be fine, and there is lots of information here.

__________________

"It's fun to have fun, but you have to know how", Dr. Seuss
Man may have invented fire, it took a woman to learn how to play with it.
Thanks to SteelMaiden for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
  #7  
Old 10th April 2008, 11:12 AM
Grusha Grusha is offline
Involved in Discussions

 
Registration Date: Apr 2008
Location: London
 
Posts: 20
Thanks Given to Others: 19
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
Karma Power: 29
Karma: 15
Grusha has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Re: Indirect (influence)/ Direct Aspects

I will indeed! Thanks for all your help
Reply

Lower Navigation Bar
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > ISO (International Organization for Standardization) Standards > ISO 14001 and Environmental Related Standards

Do you find this discussion thread helpful and informational?


Bookmarks


Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors (Members) and 1 Unregistered Guest Visitors)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Forum Search
Display Modes Rate Thread Content
Rate Thread Content:

Forum Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Discussion Threads
Discussion Thread Title Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post or Poll Vote
ISO 14001 Control vs. Influence - Environmental Aspects Identification nimbuszero ISO 14001 and Environmental Related Standards 6 26th August 2011 11:31 AM
ISO 14001 Aspect and Impact Assessment - Direct and Indirect Environmental Impacts Luke Hannant ISO 14001 and Environmental Related Standards 18 8th October 2010 07:31 AM
The Influence of Environmental Aspects on the Employee Onk1809 ISO 14001 and Environmental Related Standards 11 1st March 2010 11:48 AM
Purchasing clarification - Processes with indirect influence on product delivery dayopt Design and Development of Products and Processes 12 6th March 2009 09:50 AM
What is the difference between Direct and Indirect product? km2red Other ISO and International Standards and European Regulations 21 10th November 2001 07:12 AM



The time now is 08:56 AM. All times are GMT -4.
Your time zone can be changed in your UserCP --> Options.


   


Marc Timothy Smith - Elsmar.com
8466 LeSourdsville-West Chester Road, Olde West Chester, Ohio 45069-1929
513 341-6272
NOTE: This forum uses "cookies".