The 5 Mile Rule - Is it fact or fiction?

[rascoia]

Hello to all!
And I’m sorry because I think here not to be that I must place this question, but an auditor informed me of that the rule of the 5 miles does not exist, for the certification of one second line of production, someone can help me in this question? I thank to all the help, if you can me send the document of the IATF that says this.

[Coury Ferguson]

In Reply to Parent Post by rascoia

Hello to all!
And I’m sorry because I think here not to be that I must place this question, but an auditor informed me of that the rule of the 5 miles does not exist, for the certification of one second line of production, someone can help me in this question? I thank to all the help, if you can me send the document of the IATF that says this.

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[rascoia]

Thanks

Is better in this way.

[D.Scott]

In Reply to Parent Post by rascoia

Hello to all!
And I’m sorry because I think here not to be that I must place this question, but an auditor informed me of that the rule of the 5 miles does not exist, for the certification of one second line of production, someone can help me in this question? I thank to all the help, if you can me send the document of the IATF that says this.

I am not familiar with a "5 mile rule" but if I understand your question correctly you are asking if a second production site can be certified together with your main site.

The answer to this would be yes. It should be discussed with and negotiated with your registrar. There are many multi-site certificates issued. A major problem could be if you have quality issues at one site, all sites are affected.

Another possibility for your question would be you are asking if you can set up and run a second production line WITHOUT further certification as long as it is within 5 miles of the certified line. This answer would be no. The second line would have to be included in a multi-site certification and would also need to be approved by your customers where applicable.

Either way, it doesn't appear to be unmanageable. Talk to your registrar about the options.

Dave

[joshua_sx1]

I’m not also familiar with the 5-mile rule, but Dave is right, either it is within the 5 miles (radius) area of your main plant or not, but it is included in your QMS scope, it will be surely audited – both external & internal…

And at the same, even let say, both A & B productions are in one place, but the application of the QMS does not include the B production, B will therefore excluded in any activities relating to your certifications…

...it make sense, huh?

[vanputten]

For TS 16949:2002 registration, the 5 mile rule is total fiction. There is no such rule stated in the TS2 Rules. Also, doesn't a physical restriction of distant go against the idea of a process appraoch?

If it were true, then I guess one would have to make sure that no outsourcing is done more than 5 miles away either. And suppliers better be near by also.

If it were true, then Coproate Schemes could only apply if all facilities are within 5 miles.

We had an ISO 14001 registrar try to pull the old 5 miles thing. We did not accept such a bizzare requirement. Maybe it is a requirement in the ISO 14001 world?

In the TS 16949 world - total fiction.

[SteelMaiden]

In Reply to Parent Post by vanputten

We had an ISO 14001 registrar try to pull the old 5 miles thing. We did not accept such a bizzare requirement. Maybe it is a requirement in the ISO 14001 world?

nope. for the same reason as any other ISO certification scheme. how would you certify corporations with more than one division?

[20110108 Request]

Would whoever receives bogus information such as this from a third party auditor report it to the IAOB?