AS9102 FAI Reports. Need for Standard Parts?

[J Allen]

Our company produces standard AN, AS, NAS, and MS parts.
AS9102 states in para. 4 that the Standard applies to organizations responsible for producing the design charactistics of the product.
It also states that it does not apply to Standard Catalog Hardware...

Do standard AN, AS, NAS, and MS parts fall into this catagory?
We do FAIs but do not complete the forms per AS9102.
J Allen

[Frank T.]

In Reply to Parent Post by johnjbart

This is the answer that I've just received from As9102 writing team SAE.

Any item purchased from a catalog is considered standard catalog hardware. There is no separate/special catalog published by an industrial or national authority.

Many companies have catalogs of standard parts that they have designed for their own use. Boeing, for example, has BAC standards. This type of "catalog" part doesn't qualify as a standard. To qualify, the part must be available through a catalog to anyone.

This is a quotes from a similar thread titled, "AS9102 - Do I have to do FAI for all Standard Catalog Hardware items"

J Allen, Does your customer state any FAI requirements on the contract and/or in their quality requirements? If they do it becomes a customer specified requirement.

From my experience, the OEM customers I have dealt with list the requirements via their P.O. and SQR's, which have required the FAI to be performed in accordance with AS9102A, regardless if its "standard catalog hardware".

[Jeff Frost]

J Allen

Completing FAI per AS9102 is driven by PO requirements of your customer. If you have completed an internal FAI and your customer now requests an AS9102 FAIR you need to transfer the information to the AS forms 1, 2 and 3.

One very important item to know is that a AS9102 FAI requires verification to all requirements stated on the drawing, in the PO or required by specification.

[J Allen]

I do have a customer that requires FAI reports to be sent for approval prior to production runs. He does not specify to do the FAI per AS9102 but accepts the document that I provide.

I have a new customer that calls out Bubble maps, and associated doecuments, and requires that AS9102 Forms 1,2,&3 be used.

My boss says he will take exception with the contract because he believes the statement of standard catalog hardware not being applicable to our AS parts..

I don't agree with him. I'm pretty sure that AN, AS, NAS, and MS parts fall outside the definition of standard catalog parts.

Am I right?

[Coury Ferguson]

In Reply to Parent Post by J Allen

I don't agree with him. I'm pretty sure that AN, AS, NAS, and MS parts fall outside the definition of standard catalog parts.

Am I right?

That, in my opinion, is correct. The AN, MS, NAS, AS (et all) are standard parts submitted for more extensive testing to be able to meet those specifications and received that designation.

[Frank T.]

In Reply to Parent Post by J Allen

My boss says he will take exception with the contract because he believes the statement of standard catalog hardware not being applicable to our AS parts.

Was this exception taken prior to accepting the contract as required by AS9100B, para. 7.2.2? If not, you are violating the contract by not adhereing to the already agreed upon requirements.

In Reply to Parent Post by J Allen

I don't agree with him. I'm pretty sure that AN, AS, NAS, and MS parts fall outside the definition of standard catalog parts.

STANDARD CATALOG HARDWARE: A part or material that conforms to an established industry or national authority published specification, having all characteristics identified by text description, National/Military Standard Drawing, or catalog item. (i.e. AN6225, AN6226, MS35803, etc.)

Do your AN, AS, NAS and MS parts fall under this definition?

[J Allen]

Based on that definition, it appears that my parts fit.
Where did the definition come from?
J Allen

[Frank T.]

In Reply to Parent Post by J Allen

Based on that definition, it appears that my parts fit.
Where did the definition come from?

AS9102 Rev. A