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Old 24th June 2008, 05:57 PM
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Re: Employer asking me to compromise on integrity

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I think there's something to be said about being tactful.
I had to laugh - tact and subtlety are two things I am most definitely NOT known for. It's gotten me in trouble more than once, but it's also kept everything very clear to everyone involved. I'd rather make sure the communication is clear than worry about hurt feelings. Guess I'm just not a "people person."

I hope the ethics situation clears up for you. Just remember, you were looking for a job when you got this one!!

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Re: Employer asking me to compromise on integrity

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I had to laugh - tact and subtlety are two things I am most definitely NOT known for. It's gotten me in trouble more than once, but it's also kept everything very clear to everyone involved. I'd rather make sure the communication is clear than worry about hurt feelings. Guess I'm just not a "people person."

I hope the ethics situation clears up for you. Just remember, you were looking for a job when you got this one!!
You can still make your point without pissing someone off, especially if it's your boss.
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Re: Poor Gage R&R results needing some remedy

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Here is a subset of all the data collected. Gage R&R computed was 35.37%
Groove Depth Readings (mm)
Appraiser 1 Trials 1 & 2
4.97 4.97
5.14 5.14
4.97 4.97
4.96 4.96
4.96 4.96
5.15 5.15
4.97 4.97
5.19 5.19
5.19 5.19
5.17 5.17

Appraiser 2 Trials 1 & 2
4.94 4.95
5.12 5.11
4.97 4.97
4.96 4.95
4.94 4.95
5.12 5.12
4.94 4.94
5.15 5.14
5.17 5.16
5.15 5.14

Appraiser 3 Trials 1 & 2
4.95 4.97
5.05 5.11
4.99 4.99
4.94 4.95
4.95 4.96
5.12 5.13
4.96 4.96
5.15 5.15
5.17 5.17
5.14 5.15

Part is a plastic injection molded part. Gauge is a professionally made gauge several years old. Appraisers work on 3 separate shifts around the clock. I am prepared to try and get them to redo their sessions.

Thanks in advance for any further help.
We need to know the total tolerance please. I see one obvious anomoly. It appears part 2 for appraiser 3 had a problem. My guess would be the gage was not zeroed out before measuring. He/she appears to have no problems on the other parts so you need to determine what happened on #2.

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Re: Employer asking me to compromise on integrity

Dave, as usual, your timing and wisdom are perfect.

I am not a gauge R&R specialist, but was hoping someone was going to come along and look at this data.

Sorry for being late to the thread, and the ethics comments previously were excellent. I just wanted to add: before you get too upset with your management, make sure your numbers and study are accurate. Whatever happens in the future, the better your study and numbers, the less difficult your situation is.

One thing that popped into my head is whether there is any significant differences among shifts. I might perform ANOVA on these three groups to see if there is significance. If there is, maybe some additional training or something is in order to minimize variance among the groups.

If I were you, I would spend some time and determine where the variance is coming from to see if it can be remedied. If it can't, your managers are never going to understand your contributions through R&R analysis. You probably want to find a job where you are better appreciated.
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Re: Employer asking me to compromise on integrity

Why don't you try offering doing the R&R with a different set of samples. Some times that helps
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Re: Employer asking me to compromise on integrity

I have plotted the data as per the MSA manual third edition.

2 things stand out :-
1. Operator bias. Appraisers B & C get significantly lower readings than Appraiser A.
2. Operator test retest error. Appraiser A has zero test retest error, the other 2 do have some test retest error with Appraiser C being the worst.

IMO this is a training problem. Appraiser A is obtaining very consistant results from this gauge. Are Appraisers B & C following the same method. Is the method documented? Get the Appraisers together and compare how they use the gauge.
I'm sure you will be able to identify subtle differences, and once corrected you should be able to repeat the study with good results.
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IMO this is a training problem. Appraiser A is obtaining very consistant results from this gauge. Are Appraisers B & C following the same method. Is the method documented? Get the Appraisers together and compare how they use the gauge.
I'm sure you will be able to identify subtle differences, and once corrected you should be able to repeat the study with good results.
Thank you for taking the time to look at the data. I was wondering about this when I saw three different shifts.
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Re: Employer asking me to compromise on integrity

Your welcome Brad.

Just another comment, being cynical, Appraiser A results look too consistant to me!
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