The Elsmar Cove Forum and Site Map The Elsmar Cove Wiki More Free Files The Elsmar Cove Forums Discussion Thread Index Post Attachments Listing Failure Modes Services and Solutions to Problems Elsmar cove Forums Main Page Elsmar Cove Home Page

Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > National and International Business Standards > RoHS, REACH, ELV, IMDS and Restricted Substances Related Regulations


The Elsmar Cove Forum SideBar!
Monitor the Forum
Monitor New Forum Posts
New Threads Feeds
RSS FeedRSS Feed
Sponsor Link










$ Contributor Forum Access
Courtesy Quick Links

Links that Elsmar Cove visitors will find useful in your quest for knowledge:


Howard's International Quality Services

Atul's Symphony Technologies

Dave Scott's Scott Quality Solutions

Praxiom Research Group


NIST's Engineering Statistics Handbook

IRCA - International Register of Certified Auditors

SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers

Quality Digest Portal

IEST - Institute of Environmental Sciences and Technology

ASQ - American Society for Quality


All the Important Standards and Related Web Sites in the World
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Content Display Modes
  #1  
Old 5th August 2008, 06:47 AM
sunder_syam81 sunder_syam81 is offline
Getting Involved (6 to 9 Posts)

Registration Date: Sep 2007
Location: India
 
Posts: 8
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Karma Power: 10
Karma: 10
sunder_syam81 has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Read This! MDS - Tree Structure - IMDS data creation

Hi,

I have a question creeping.
In IMDS data creation - Tree structure - is material under material is acceptable to all OEM's.

Regards,
Sham
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 5th August 2008, 10:31 AM
Kales Veggie's Avatar
Kales Veggie Kales Veggie is offline
People: the vital few

Registration Date: Dec 2006
Location: Fort Wayne, IN
 
Posts: 466
Thanks Given to Others: 73
Thanked 211 Times in 150 Posts
Karma Power: 46
Karma: 1273
Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.
Default Re: MDS - Tree Structure - IMDS data creation

That is a broad statement. "ALL".... Same as "never" or "no one".

In general, yes. My clients accepts MDS in this format. Moreover IMDS does not generate a warning for a material under material.
__________________
Kees de Wit
Auditor/Consultant
People: The vital few
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

  #3  
Old 5th August 2008, 02:36 PM
mk_Guruprasad mk_Guruprasad is offline
Involved in Discussions

Registration Date: Mar 2007
Location: India
 
Posts: 24
Thanks Given to Others: 4
Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Karma Power: 13
Karma: 55
mk_Guruprasad has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Default Re: MDS - Tree Structure - IMDS data creation

Hi Sham,

Kales is Absolutely right. Let me give an example: consider a colored plastic components here we can declare the masterbatch (Colouring agent) and the basic material independently to form a colored plastic component.

I hope you will understand. If you still have any questions please let me know.

For your reference I am attaching the Recommendation 001 where the Pages from 10-12 explains the correct tree structures.

Bye
Guru
Attached Files: 1. Scan for viruses before using, 2. Please report any 'bad' files by Reporting the post it is in, 3. Use at your Own Risk.
File Type: pdf imds_recommendation_001_general_structure.pdf (186.5 KB, 66 views)
Reply With Quote
Thanks to mk_Guruprasad for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
  #4  
Old 6th August 2008, 12:55 AM
sunder_syam81 sunder_syam81 is offline
Getting Involved (6 to 9 Posts)

Registration Date: Sep 2007
Location: India
 
Posts: 8
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Karma Power: 10
Karma: 10
sunder_syam81 has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Default Re: MDS - Tree Structure - IMDS data creation

Yea, I know about color masterbatches, PCB and E-mot tree structures which are published by IMDS committee. Other than this if we follow this method of tree structures is it OK.
Eg: one of the supplier had followed for Zinc passivation tree structure
I have also attached a screen shot of a tree structure. Kindly give your views on it.
Attached Thumbnails
treestructure.JPG  
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 4th November 2008, 12:46 AM
sunder_syam81 sunder_syam81 is offline
Getting Involved (6 to 9 Posts)

Registration Date: Sep 2007
Location: India
 
Posts: 8
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Karma Power: 10
Karma: 10
sunder_syam81 has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Default Re: MDS - Tree Structure - IMDS data creation

Hi All,

Kindly give your replies to the above tree structure picture

sham
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 4th November 2008, 04:41 AM
johnmonuk's Avatar
johnmonuk johnmonuk is offline
Getting Involved (6 to 9 Posts)

Registration Date: Jan 2006
Location: Birmingham, UK
Age: 58
 
Posts: 6
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Karma Power: 16
Karma: 10
johnmonuk has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Default Re: MDS - Tree Structure - IMDS data creation

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with the tree structure you have shown. You should not have any problems submitting this to your Customer.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 4th November 2008, 10:13 AM
Kales Veggie's Avatar
Kales Veggie Kales Veggie is offline
People: the vital few

Registration Date: Dec 2006
Location: Fort Wayne, IN
 
Posts: 466
Thanks Given to Others: 73
Thanked 211 Times in 150 Posts
Karma Power: 46
Karma: 1273
Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.Kales Veggie is appreciated, and has over 1100 Karma points.
Default Re: MDS - Tree Structure - IMDS data creation

Tree structure is acceptable to me.

My review would also include:

Have you declared the classification of the materials correctly?
Have you define the applications correctly (if any)?
Do the weights and portion make sense?
__________________
Kees de Wit
Auditor/Consultant
People: The vital few
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 6th November 2008, 02:16 PM
mk_Guruprasad mk_Guruprasad is offline
Involved in Discussions

Registration Date: Mar 2007
Location: India
 
Posts: 24
Thanks Given to Others: 4
Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Karma Power: 13
Karma: 55
mk_Guruprasad has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Default Re: MDS - Tree Structure - IMDS data creation

I too agree with the tree structure and there is no problem.

As Kales commented please recheck all the details once again regarding applications, portions etc..

Just for informations, can you let us know who is your customer and to which customer you are using this part. Is it OEM or Tier 1 etc.

Regards,
Guruprasad
Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation Bar
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > National and International Business Standards > RoHS, REACH, ELV, IMDS and Restricted Substances Related Regulations

Bookmarks

Tags
imds, imds data creation, mds, mds tree structure


Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors and 1 Unregistered Guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Forum Search
Display Modes Rate Thread Content
Rate Thread Content:

Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Discussion Threads
Discussion Thread Title Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post or Poll Vote
IMDS - Tree Structure - Different Types of Nodes on Same Level Error Neil V. RoHS, REACH, ELV, IMDS and Restricted Substances Related Regulations 3 9th December 2008 10:18 AM
IMDS (International Material Data System) - OEM Requirements sunder_syam81 RoHS, REACH, ELV, IMDS and Restricted Substances Related Regulations 8 26th August 2008 12:39 AM
PPAP and the IMDS (International Material Data System) - What did I get myself into? silentrunning RoHS, REACH, ELV, IMDS and Restricted Substances Related Regulations 10 25th September 2007 02:32 PM
What's IMDS? International Material Data System (automotive) Cordon RoHS, REACH, ELV, IMDS and Restricted Substances Related Regulations 11 25th July 2006 06:07 AM
International Material Data System - IMDS Dave.C RoHS, REACH, ELV, IMDS and Restricted Substances Related Regulations 6 9th July 2003 07:48 PM



The time now is 01:28 AM. All times are GMT -4.
The time zone can be changed in your UserCP --> Options.



   

All Y'All Come Back Now, Y' Hear?

Made With A Mac! FreeBSD OS Powered by Apache!
Using php4 Forums provided and maintained by Marc Smith Database by MySQL

FAIR USE and CORRECTNESS NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe herein constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. In addition, I do not guarantee the correctness of the content. The risk of using content from the Elsmar Cove web site and forums remains with the user/visitor.

Responsibility Statement: Each person is responsible for anything they post in the Elsmar Cove forum. Neither I, Marc Timothy Smith, nor any of the forum Moderators, are responsible for the content of posts people make. Liability for post content resides with the poster as does interpretation and/or acceptance and/or use of advice by the reader.

Complaints: If you have a complaint with a post in a forum discussion thread, including Content in general, fighting, flaming, copyright infringement, defamation and/or 'slander', please use the 'Report This Post Report This Post Button button which appears at the top of every post in every thread.

Site courtesy of:
Marc Timothy Smith - Cayman Business Systems, 8466 Lesourdsville-West Chester Road, West Chester, Ohio 45069-1929 - USA
(513) 341-6272

To contact me, click the Google Voice link below, enter Your Name and Your Phone Number and Google will ring your phone and connect you for free!

The Elsmar Cove Web Site is *CopyFree*
no new posts