

10th October 2008, 09:32 AM


SPC presentation  How to convince someone to use SPC  Grind diameters
I get to give a presentation on Monday about implementing SPC into our job shop facility. Currently, we collect data (Statistical Production Control) for our customers. I make control charts and capability studies to evaluate the run after it has been complete. Now, I want to go towards what SPC is intended for Statistical Process Control. I am planning on showing all of our part numbers with key features, and they are mostly grind diameters and show stable and unstable processes along with good cpk values and bad cpk values and the corresponding defects per million. I am struggling with how to convince someone to use SPC that knows little about SPC. My big reason is this keeps operators from over reacting to over adjusting a machine. Any other suggestions, I guess there is just a ton of information and I don’t know where to go with it all. I know teaching operators to make/use a control chart takes time and collecting data takes time, but I want to show value, not nonvalue added activities.
Thanks

10th October 2008, 10:35 AM


Stop Xbar/R Madness




Re: SPC presentation
You can find a lot of information on Xbar and R charting, etc. But, unfortunately, it is not the correct SPC for grinding. I will forward to you training for the uniform distribution and X hi/lo  R chart. I hope that will help. The worst thing you can do is train people running grinders XbarR charting.
Last edited by bobdoering; 10th October 2008 at 08:51 PM.

10th October 2008, 02:20 PM


Deming Disciple




Re: SPC presentation
Both Dr. Deming's Funnel Experiment (the issue with overadjusting) and the Red Beads (convincer for SPC) work extremely well to overcome resistance.
I've got some SPC presentations on the internet at http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=1156&parent=1144
You are welcome to make use of them, they were developed under US government contract so there is no copyright. I do ask though if you use them to give attribution to myself and Fluor corporation.
__________________
Steve Prevette
"A Passionate Statistician", ASQ CQE, ASQ Fellow

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11th October 2008, 10:55 AM


Stop Xbar/R Madness




Re: SPC presentation  How to convince someone to use SPC  Grind diameters
A nice overview of the techniques Steve mentions are in this link:
http://www.spcforexcel.com/ezine/nov...nov_2006pf.htm
However, be careful when interpreting the results of the funnel experiment with grinder operators. They need to know that they are not going to get the distribution that you get in that experiment  their machines will generate a uniform distribution (rectangle). The moral of its story is not that you have to leave the process set at one setting, but that you must not adjust the process until the control limits tell you it needs adjusted. If you can not make that clear after doing the funnel experiment (because of the difference between the distributions), then you may opt to drop it.
Here is the story I tell to precision machining people to get the point across:
I was sitting in a process planning meeting (APQP) when the engineers around the table proclaimed that the grinder they had would not be capable of running a part to a specific diameter tolerance. I felt they were just shooting from the hip, and I was curious if it was true.
I went out to the grinder and spoke to the operator. He was doing SPC on his operation, plotting the outer diameters. I looked at the chart, and it was a classic normal control chart with points randomly jumping about the mean.
I asked how often he was plotting his data, he said every two hours, just like the control plan said. I asked him how often he was adjusting his process, he said every 15 minutes.
My head dropped in dismay...
I asked him to try something different. I asked him to adjust his grinder to the lower control limit. I told him to ignore the mean. Run the grinder, and do not adjust it until the diameter reached the upper control limit. Then, adjust it back to the lower control limit.
He did that. Do you know how long it took to reach the upper control limit?
A week.
So, clearly his adjusting every 15 minutes to try to keep the machine at the mean was overadjustment. In fact, the operator had become the process. That made the process "normal", and most operator processes are normal distributions. But the machine process was not. It was a uniform distribution. It was masked by the unnecessary adjustments to the mean by the operator. CNC operators are notorious for overadjustment, because it is easy to push the buttons for an offset. I tell them if they want to push buttons, push the buttons on their calculator, not the machine.
Many quality professionals are fooled by seeing these supposedly 'normal' processes and their accompanying charts, and believe they really are. They use these charts to justify their claim that the process is indeed normal, in control and capable. Fools gold, my friends. It is usually garbage data.
XbarR charts encourage adjusting to the mean  and therefore encourage overadjustment in precision machining. That is one reason why they are the absolute worst chart for precision machining. For the uniform distribution, the mean has no meaning!
If I walk up to a precision machining process and see an XbarR chart exhibiting random variation about the mean, my first assumption is the process is out of control!
More often than not, I am correct.
BTW, CMfgT, that is the text for "Story No. 1" in the presentation I sent to you.
Last edited by bobdoering; 11th October 2008 at 11:05 AM.

11th October 2008, 06:51 PM


Super Moderator




Re: SPC presentation  How to convince someone to use SPC  Grind diameters
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In Reply to Parent Post by bobdoering
A nice overview of the techniques Steve mentions are in this link:
http://www.spcforexcel.com/ezine/nov...nov_2006pf.htm
However, be careful when interpreting the results of the funnel experiment with grinder operators. They need to know that they are not going to get the distribution that you get in that experiment  their machines will generate a uniform distribution (rectangle). The moral of its story is not that you have to leave the process set at one setting, but that you must not adjust the process until the control limits tell you it needs adjusted. If you can not make that clear after doing the funnel experiment (because of the difference between the distributions), then you may opt to drop it.
Here is the story I tell to precision machining people to get the point across:
I was sitting in a process planning meeting (APQP) when the engineers around the table proclaimed that the grinder they had would not be capable of running a part to a specific diameter tolerance. I felt they were just shooting from the hip, and I was curious if it was true.
I went out to the grinder and spoke to the operator. He was doing SPC on his operation, plotting the outer diameters. I looked at the chart, and it was a classic normal control chart with points randomly jumping about the mean.
I asked how often he was plotting his data, he said every two hours, just like the control plan said. I asked him how often he was adjusting his process, he said every 15 minutes.
My head dropped in dismay...
I asked him to try something different. I asked him to adjust his grinder to the lower control limit. I told him to ignore the mean. Run the grinder, and do not adjust it until the diameter reached the upper control limit. Then, adjust it back to the lower control limit.
He did that. Do you know how long it took to reach the upper control limit?
A week.
So, clearly his adjusting every 15 minutes to try to keep the machine at the mean was overadjustment. In fact, the operator had become the process. That made the process "normal", and most operator processes are normal distributions. But the machine process was not. It was a uniform distribution. It was masked by the unnecessary adjustments to the mean by the operator. CNC operators are notorious for overadjustment, because it is easy to push the buttons for an offset. I tell them if they want to push buttons, push the buttons on their calculator, not the machine.
Many quality professionals are fooled by seeing these supposedly 'normal' processes and their accompanying charts, and believe they really are. They use these charts to justify their claim that the process is indeed normal, in control and capable. Fools gold, my friends. It is usually garbage data.
XbarR charts encourage adjusting to the mean  and therefore encourage overadjustment in precision machining. That is one reason why they are the absolute worst chart for precision machining. For the uniform distribution, the mean has no meaning!
If I walk up to a precision machining process and see an XbarR chart exhibiting random variation about the mean, my first assumption is the process is out of control!
More often than not, I am correct.
BTW, CMfgT, that is the text for "Story No. 1" in the presentation I sent to you.

Bob, please help me with this if you would.....
How do the following factors come in to play in terms of introducing variation, "control" and possible adjustments?  Dressing the grinding wheel
 Machine wear
 Coolant temperature
 Hardness of material
 The setup of the grinder (infeed, pressure between centers, etc.)
I appreciate your comments.
Thanks.
Stijloor.

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12th October 2008, 01:24 AM


Stop Xbar/R Madness




Re: SPC presentation  How to convince someone to use SPC  Grind diameters
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In Reply to Parent Post by Stijloor
Bob, please help me with this if you would.....
How do the following factors come in to play in terms of introducing variation, "control" and possible adjustments?  Dressing the grinding wheel
 Machine wear
 Coolant temperature
 Hardness of material
 The setup of the grinder (infeed, pressure between centers, etc.)

Good questions. Let's go through them.
Dressing the grinding wheel
The X hi/lo chart tells an operator when to adjust a grinder based on wear. The need to dress the grinding wheel is can originate from two key factors  surface finish and key dimensional degradation. Trying to SPC surface finish is tough, although I suppose you can do it. Most grinding operators can visually recognize a finish that is starting to degrade and requires dressing. For key dimensional degradation, one example I have used was a part that had very complex compound curves. In order to maintain the profile, we had an optical comparator with a profile chart set at 75% of the profile tolerance zone. When the profile started to encroach that zone, we dressed the wheel. The sharpest radius (or corner, if you have one) is usually the first to go and the easiest one to track. We would adjust based on a simple diameter, dress on the profile degradation. We made some great parts doing that with an extremely low scrap rate.
Machine wear
First of all, precision machining is defined by all variation has been reduced to be statistically insignificant. So, the machine must be in sufficient repair so that the participation in variation from the equipment itself is insignificant. That being said, you will generally see the effects of a machine in disrepair in the R chart. Remember, in the X hi/loR chart, the R is roundness (or parallelism if a length rather than a diameter). When a grinder starts to go bad, or even CNC machines, the roundness starts to increase. It will guide to change bearings, worn chucks, etc. Usually an increase in roundness is a leading indicator that the tool needs changed for a CNC. But, if the roundness is still too high after changing the tool, then the mechanicals should be looked at until the roundness is brought back into control. By the way, you will not get any of this information from an Xbar R chart.
Coolant temperature, hardness of material, and type of wheel grade
In XbarR charts, continuous improvement is considered when you compress the control limits closer to the mean. That is clear evidence that is is designed for a normal distribution  get the process closer to the mean. Uniform distributions are very different. The mean is meaningless. Compressing the limits just makes you adjust more frequently, creating overadjustment. So, how do you improve a uniform distribution? You work to make the slope shallower. The shallower the slope, the less operator intervention. Great! So, if you see the slope steepen, you may have harder material wearing away the wheel faster. You will have to adjust more often for harder material. If you change the grade of wheel, how do you know it is a better wheel? Usually, it is by the number of donuts the salesman brings in. But, the observant student would look for a shallower slope on the X hi/lo chart. Anything that affects the wear rate  or the slope  you can use the slope to determine improvement. The wear rate has no influence on the control limits  the X hi/lo limits are always set at 75% of the tolerance.
The setup of the grinder (infeed, pressure between centers, etc.)
The set up can affect the slope and the roundness. Too much pressure between centers will affect the roundness, maybe even cause chatter. It may also cause excessive wheel wear, increasing the slope. Too little pressure really hikes up the roundness! I would say that the roundness would be the key thing to watch for to ensure satisfactory setup.
What is amazing about all this? You will get meaningful data utilizing the X hi/loR chart for most facets of grinding control, especially the day to day adjustment for diameter. The chart is easily understood by operators  it makes sense. The math is simple, yet elegant. You will get incorrect signals from an XbarR chart, and the statistics utilized by that charting methodology is nonsense for precision machining. XIR is also insufficient for precision machining, for many of the same reasons.
One of these days Marc is going to make me put this all in one thread...it's probably easier to just buy the book.

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13th October 2008, 10:49 AM


Stop Xbar/R Madness




Re: SPC presentation  How to convince someone to use SPC  Grind diameters
By the way, thanks for the valuable questions. I added them to my CorrectSPC presentation!

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