Making the Transition to AS9100 Rev C.

[WCHorn]

I'm revising our internal audit procedure for an improvement unrelated to AS9100B requirements. I see that AS9100C will remove the bold typeface requirements for "Detailed tools and techniques ... " and "Internal audits shall also ... ".

Will our auditor declare a finding if I remove those requirements from our procedure after AS9100C is issued but before we are certified to AS9100C?

I just want to get a head start and not revise the procedure a second time when Rev C is issued.

[Jeff Frost]

I would not make any changes to your procedures until you perform a gap analysis between your current Rev. B QMS to the requirements of AS9100C once it has been published. My feeling is that the driver for the your QMS migration should be Top Management via your management review process.

I have not heared of the formal migration plan for AS9100C from my registrar yet but I am sure it will be announced shortly after standards' publication. Having a documented (output from management review meeting) plan, should lessen any concerns your customers or registrar will have as your make your changes to the documentation.

[Sidney Vianna]

Originally Posted by WCHorn

Will our auditor declare a finding if I remove those requirements from our procedure after AS9100C is issued but before we are certified to AS9100C?

If the audit criteria is Rev. B of AS9100, the auditor will expect to see conformity of the system against that specific version of AS9100.

[Jeff Frost]

Sidney has a very good point about which revision of the standard would be the audit criteria. It might be better to wait for your next scheduled surveillance audit to occur and then start implementing the migration to Rev. C.

[Randy]

You can't be audited, and you will not get registered to something that doesn't exist.

[Sidney Vianna]

Originally Posted by Jeff Frost

Sidney has a very good point about which revision of the standard would be the audit criteria. It might be better to wait for your next scheduled surveillance audit to occur and then start implementing the migration to Rev. C.

Recently, I heard of a case where an auditor, by mistake, performed a stage 1 audit against a draft of AS9100 Rev. C. The issue ended up with a complaint to the CB. It is critical that audit criteria is well defined.

[brandnew]

This may have been answered already....but as i'm new to AS9100 i see that the AS9100C standard has been published and the AS9101D is not available for purchase on the SAE website.

i've come across a timeline frame that indicates company's are to transition within 30 months of implementation. So as a company, although we need to prepare for Rev. C, if we want to get certified by early 2010, can we just go with Rev. B for now and then follow that with Rev. C?

thank you

[howste]

Originally Posted by brandnew

i've come across a timeline frame that indicates company's are to transition within 30 months of implementation. So as a company, although we need to prepare for Rev. C, if we want to get certified by early 2010, can we just go with Rev. B for now and then follow that with Rev. C?

Yes. The only version available for certification in early 2010 will be AS9100 rev B. It appears that the earliest that 9101 rev D could be published is November, so six months from then (May) would be earliest possible certification date for 9100 rev C.

I'm not going to hold my breath for the 9101 release though. It could certainly be delayed further.