The Elsmar Cove Wiki More Free Files The Elsmar Cove Forums Discussion Thread Index Post Attachments Listing Failure Modes Services and Solutions to Problems Elsmar cove Forums Main Page Elsmar Cove Home Page
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > National and International Business Standards and Requirements > Occupational Health & Safety Management Standards
Forum Username


Search the Elsmar Cove
Custom Search
Monitor the Elsmar Forum
Follow Marc & Elsmar
Elsmar Cove Forum RSS Feed  Marc Smith's Google+ Page  Marc Smith's Linked In Page   Marc Smith's Elsmar Cove YouTube Page  Marc Smith's Facebook Page  Elsmar Cove Twitter Feed
Elsmar Cove Groups
Elsmar Cove Google+ Group  Elsmar Cove LinkedIn Group  Elsmar Cove Facebook Group
Sponsor Links





Donate and $ Contributor Forum Access

Click the graphic above.
Courtesy Quick Links

Links that Elsmar Cove visitors will find useful in your quest for knowledge:

Howard's
International Quality Services
Marcelo Antunes'
SQR Consulting
Bob Doering's
Correct SPC - Precision Machining

NIST's Engineering Statistics Handbook
IRCA - International Register of Certified Auditors
SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers
Quality Digest Portal
IEST - Institute of Environmental Sciences and Technology
ASQ - American Society for Quality

Related Topic Tags
ohs risk analysis, residual risk, total risk, risk management and analysis
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Content Display Modes
  #1  
Old 15th March 2009, 02:24 PM
samsung's Avatar
samsung samsung is offline
Appreciated Member

 
Registration Date: Feb 2008
Location: India
Age: 45
 
Posts: 1,431
Thanks Given to Others: 1,435
Thanked 601 Times in 401 Posts
Karma Power: 180
Karma: 5424
samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Question OHS Risk Analysis - What does the 'Risk Rating' refer to? Total or Residual?

In a quantitative OHS Risk Analysis, what does 'Risk rating' refer to? what I mean to ask is if the calculated rating refers to the Total Score for that Risk or it is the RESIDUAL Risk i.e. the risk left after applying certain controls.

If it is assumed that it refers to the Total Score of the Risk under question (irrespective of the applied controls), what does it still mean ? If the score is high and as such the Risk classifies itself as Significant, does it still warrant 'ADDITIONAL CONTROLS' despite the fact that adequate controls are already in place.

Please help to let me learn when to consider a significant hazard for action based on its Risk Rating?

Thanks in advance & best regards,
Thanks to samsung for your informative Post and/or Attachment!

Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 15th March 2009, 06:05 PM
Randy's Avatar
Randy Randy is offline
Super Moderator

 
Registration Date: Jun 1999
Location: Greenwood (Ft Smith area), Arkansas, USA
Age: 63
 
Posts: 8,213
Thanks Given to Others: 48
Thanked 2,689 Times in 1,650 Posts
Karma Power: 923
Karma: 20027
Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Send a message via Skype™ to Randy
Re: What does the 'Risk Rating' refer to ? Total or Residual ?

Excellant question..........

Initially when you do your assessment you are told to take current controls into consideration as well as the hazards you identify...this gives you initial risk.

Upon eliminating/reducing hazards (using the prescribed heirachy) or creating/modifying controls, or a little of both you wind up with the residual risk....this is the risk you will operate under

In all cases levels of tolerability/acceptability must be established

Hopefully you move from higher to lower risk with either controls or hazard elimination/reduction

__________________

We who have seen war, will never stop seeing it. In the silence of the night, we will always hear the screams. Joe Galloway
Sponsored Links

  #3  
Old 16th March 2009, 04:41 AM
samsung's Avatar
samsung samsung is offline
Appreciated Member

 
Registration Date: Feb 2008
Location: India
Age: 45
 
Posts: 1,431
Thanks Given to Others: 1,435
Thanked 601 Times in 401 Posts
Karma Power: 180
Karma: 5424
samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Re: What does the 'Risk Rating' refer to ? Total or Residual ?

Quote:
In Reply to Parent Post by Randy View Post

Excellant question..........

Initially when you do your assessment you are told to take current controls into consideration as well as the hazards you identify...this gives you initial risk.

Upon eliminating/reducing hazards (using the prescribed heirachy) or creating/modifying controls, or a little of both you wind up with the residual risk....this is the risk you will operate under

In all cases levels of tolerability/acceptability must be established

Hopefully you move from higher to lower risk with either controls or hazard elimination/reduction
Thank you Sir. This means, during the implementation & operational phase, one has to concentrate much on the 'Residual Risk' and should apply whatever controls needed to bring the Risk under Acceptable level (to be decided by oneself).

This makes things a bit clear and as such, wouldn't it be better to first calculate the total risk that a particular hazard poses assuming total absence of Controls.

Let's put 2 more columns in our table one referring to ' Existing Controls' and another for the remaining or Residual Risk which we still need to control if it is Significant.

Now if we put some additional controls, let its credentials be subtracted from the Residual Risk so as to make all known that this hazard now poses no any risk.

Some more thoughts please...

Best regards,
  #4  
Old 16th March 2009, 09:19 PM
Randy's Avatar
Randy Randy is offline
Super Moderator

 
Registration Date: Jun 1999
Location: Greenwood (Ft Smith area), Arkansas, USA
Age: 63
 
Posts: 8,213
Thanks Given to Others: 48
Thanked 2,689 Times in 1,650 Posts
Karma Power: 923
Karma: 20027
Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Send a message via Skype™ to Randy
Re: OHS Risk Analysis - What does the 'Risk Rating' refer to? Total or Residual?

Very seldom will you be able to eliminate all risk, you're goal will to always reduce risk to what your organization (top management) determines to be acceptable/tolerable...Only you can define that.

It really doesn't matter how acceptability/tolerability is achieved..either through controls, the application of hierarchy, or any combination.....Kinda like flying, there are controls and there is an application of heirarchy, but there is still risk.

__________________

We who have seen war, will never stop seeing it. In the silence of the night, we will always hear the screams. Joe Galloway
Thanks to Randy for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
  #5  
Old 17th March 2009, 04:43 AM
samsung's Avatar
samsung samsung is offline
Appreciated Member

 
Registration Date: Feb 2008
Location: India
Age: 45
 
Posts: 1,431
Thanks Given to Others: 1,435
Thanked 601 Times in 401 Posts
Karma Power: 180
Karma: 5424
samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.samsung is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Re: OHS Risk Analysis - What does the 'Risk Rating' refer to? Total or Residual?

Quote:
In Reply to Parent Post by Randy View Post

Very seldom will you be able to eliminate all risk, you're goal will to always reduce risk to what your organization (top management) determines to be acceptable/tolerable...Only you can define that.

It really doesn't matter how acceptability/tolerability is achieved..either through controls, the application of hierarchy, or any combination.....Kinda like flying, there are controls and there is an application of heirarchy, but there is still risk.
Well said. "There are controls & still there are risks" which one has considered acceptable in one's own set of norms. This is very very important to define a criterion for 'acceptability' since one cannot (and should not) go on reducing the Risk beyond a level where it becomes technically & economically non-viable.

The whole purpose of it is to bring the risk to a level where one can peacefully live with the prevalent hazards. Hazards will always be there to haunt us.

Best regards,
  #6  
Old 17th March 2009, 06:31 PM
Randy's Avatar
Randy Randy is offline
Super Moderator

 
Registration Date: Jun 1999
Location: Greenwood (Ft Smith area), Arkansas, USA
Age: 63
 
Posts: 8,213
Thanks Given to Others: 48
Thanked 2,689 Times in 1,650 Posts
Karma Power: 923
Karma: 20027
Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Randy is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Send a message via Skype™ to Randy
Re: OHS Risk Analysis - What does the 'Risk Rating' refer to? Total or Residual?

Yep...no matter how good the controls, and no matter how much we try, we can still get run over crossing the street.

__________________

We who have seen war, will never stop seeing it. In the silence of the night, we will always hear the screams. Joe Galloway
Reply

Lower Navigation Bar
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > National and International Business Standards and Requirements > Occupational Health & Safety Management Standards

Do you find this discussion thread helpful and informational?


Bookmarks


Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors (Members) and 1 Unregistered Guest Visitors)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Forum Search
Display Modes Rate Thread Content
Rate Thread Content:

Forum Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Discussion Threads
Discussion Thread Title Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post or Poll Vote
What to do if no further control possible to reduce the OHS risk? samsung Occupational Health & Safety Management Standards 16 24th December 2010 04:55 AM
ANSI Z540-3 Risk Analysis - How to do the math for risk analysis dv8shane ISO 17025 and related Metrology Topics - Measurement Devices, Calibration and Test Laboratories 2 30th October 2010 11:31 AM
How do you calculate Overall Residual Risk - Requirement of 14971 Risk Management fuji033 - 2006 ISO 14971 - Medical Device Risk Management 7 25th June 2010 02:55 AM
Risk Analysis and Risk Evaluation - Biomedical company S.Mario ISO 14971 - Medical Device Risk Management 6 18th December 2009 03:54 AM
Inherent vs. Residual Risk & Significance - ISO 14001 Ruthie J ISO 14001 and Environmental Related Standards 4 20th May 2009 09:04 PM



The time now is 09:32 PM. All times are GMT -4.
Your time zone can be changed in your UserCP --> Options.


   


Marc Timothy Smith - Elsmar.com
8466 LeSourdsville-West Chester Road, Olde West Chester, Ohio 45069-1929
513 341-6272