What is ISO 16232? Road vehicles - Cleanliness

[Senay]

Is there anyone who knows ISO 16232? We produce rubber press parts and our customer ask from us, technical compliance according to ISO 16232. This standard has 10 sessions and it is very expensive when we try to buy it.

[Sam4Quality]

I did a google search for ISO 16232, and this is what it is:

Road vehicles -- Cleanliness of components of fluid circuits

http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue...csnumber=39232


ISO 16232-1:2007 - Road vehicles -- Cleanliness of components of fluid circuits -- Part 1: Vocabulary
ISO 16232-2:2007 - Road vehicles -- Cleanliness of components of fluid circuits -- Part 2: Method of extraction of contaminants by agitation
ISO 16232-3:2007 - Road vehicles -- Cleanliness of components of fluid circuits -- Part 3: Method of extraction of contaminants by pressure rinsing
ISO 16232-4:2007 - Road vehicles -- Cleanliness of components of fluid circuits -- Part 4: Method of extraction of contaminants by ultrasonic techniques
ISO 16232-5:2007 - Road vehicles -- Cleanliness of components of fluid circuits -- Part 5: Method of extraction of contaminants on functional test bench
ISO 16232-6:2007 - Road vehicles -- Cleanliness of components of fluid circuits -- Part 6: Particle mass determination by gravimetric analysis
ISO 16232-7:2007 - Road vehicles -- Cleanliness of components of fluid circuits -- Part 7: Particle sizing and counting by microscopic analysis
ISO 16232-8:2007 - Road vehicles -- Cleanliness of components of fluid circuits -- Part 8: Particle nature determination by microscopic analysis
ISO 16232-9:2007 - Road vehicles -- Cleanliness of components of fluid circuits -- Part 9: Particle sizing and counting by automatic light extinction particle counter
ISO 16232-10:2007 - Road vehicles -- Cleanliness of components of fluid circuits -- Part 10: Expression of results

I kept wondering all the time, is this really fair on the ISO's part to put such a price tag for a single standard with 10 parts??

ISO 9001:2008 is 118CHF

ISO/TS 16949:2002 is 130CHF

and if all of the ISO 16232 series purchased is a figure I didn't even care to calculate!! All have varying prices. Phew, that's called burning a hole in the organizations iron safe!!!!

Hence, I am wondering, Senay, if you really need to purchase all the 10 sessions?

Ciao.

[Jim Wynne]

In Reply to Parent Post by Senay

Is there anyone who knows ISO 16232? We produce rubber press parts and our customer ask from us, technical compliance according to ISO 16232. This standard has 10 sessions and it is very expensive when we try to buy it.

If you're going to comply with the standard, you're going to have to buy a copy. As you say, there are ten separate documents involved, and perhaps your customer doesn't need compliance to all of them. If this is a new or potential customer, you should be able to capture the cost of the standard in your quote--it's part of your cost to produce the product.

[Senay]

Thank you, for your help, I really don't know what I'm gonna do about purchasing! 10 sessions waste of money!!
I think I try to force customer to help us Because I couldn't even choose the right one which is appropriate for me!

[Sam4Quality]

Originally Posted by Senay

Thank you, for your help, I really don't know what I'm gonna do about purchasing! 10 sessions waste of money!!
I think I try to force customer to help us Because I couldn't even choose the right one which is appropriate for me!

I hope you have checked with Jim's suggestion of including the price of the standards in the quote to the customer. That would take away your pain!

Also, do you really really need all of the 10 sessions for complying with the customer's request?

Ciao.

[AgnieszkaSz]

Senay, I don't know whether you have such opportunity, but it's worth checking - in my country, we have some regional standard libraries / reading rooms, perhaps a dozen in whole Poland (they are managed by Polish Standard Commitee) where you can sit down, read a standard in peace and quiet and determine whether it will fit your needs. Perhaps you can locate such institution in Turkey, ask them if the have copies for readers available? Or just ask the customer what sessions they will require from you?

[Gofar]

If I were your potential customer and you were quoting to supply parts for use in a fluid circuit, I would expect you to have the technical knowledge to support your product, including access to specified standards. I would also expect you to have identified the resources needed to meet the requirements of the specification.

It appears obvious from the specification titles that the relevant testing will be a laboratory activity. Does your laboratory have any facilities which would enable appropriate examination of contaminants and is such testing in your laboratory scope? If the answer is no, the likely cost of obtaining the equipment and expertise to operate it may dwarf the cost of the documents themselves.

Do you know an accredited external laboratory who could perform the tests? If so you could get them to do it and you wouldn't have to buy the standards.

Either way there is a cost which needs to be incorporated and, more importantly imo, a requirement which needs to be planned into your process. It's called business and should be no big deal for any serious and competent supplier.

As a potential customer, I'd be worried about your organisation. It's rather like a steel supplier complaining about the cost of standards for tensile testing and wondering what's in them.

I do hope this request isn't coming from an existing customer. If so, you may want to ask some pertinent questions about your contract review and quality planning activities.

[Senay]

It's a new project, we try to reach customer requirements in an easy way. Just to know, what it is actually. Than we will comply with it step by step duration APQP process. We have got internal laboratory and we can make lots of test, aging, tensile, vulcanization and so on. But this is a new topic for us and our lab. is not adequate. So we have to find an accredited one! In new projects our customers generally help and make collaboration with us about standarts, specification etc.