Question for ISO 22000 Clauses 7.3.3.1 and 7.9.

[tech4arab]

Dear friend i have some question about these clauses


clause 7.3.3.1
what is mean by d) method of production;
is this mean method of production of raw material at the suppliers side or mean the method of production to get a final products

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clause 7.9
is this clause require or it must to do " get a sample from the production and keep it untill they reach to customer or during its shelf life

in a big restaurant the auditer give them NCR in this clause because they did not keep any sample from the mail that they produce , where they cock the mails and distbute it to the other branches

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in ISO 22000 , in case of restaurant is this a required to make a work instruction for all process and the process of cooking and how to cock

[Jennifer Kirley]

Does someone have insight for tech4arab?

[harry]

Originally Posted by tech4arab

Dear friend i have some question about these clauses <snip>

In attempting to interpret these clauses, it is important that you read the whole clause including footers or explanatory notes if any.

'Statutory and regulatory requirements' is a phrase found in many clauses including the two you mentioned. It means that:
1. Are there any statutory and regulatory requirements in your area that compel you to follow any of the items mentioned? If so, you must abide and follow the guidelines or requirements.
2. If not, you have to decide on it! What is the industry practice? What can be the consequences or risk (you would had done your risk analysis)? If the risk are high, just do it. If the industry is practising it and it makes sense, follow them.

[tech4arab]

Originally Posted by harry

'Statutory and regulatory requirements'

thanks for your reply

in my area there are not any 'Statutory and regulatory requirements for this

and i hope to know why the auditor record this as NCR

i think the standard mean with " Traceability system " mean that we can trace the history of final product like when , where , how , who it coocked and what is the component of this food and when , where , how , who supplu it

i think it is not NCR


please correct me

thanks

[tsmith7858]

Traceability as written in the standard does not require a sample be kept. You need to know where the ingredients came from (supplier), what was used to produce the product (lot #, ingredient list) and where it went (customer).

Not sure why anyone would consider it a NCR if no sample was kept and there are no regualtory standards in your area that state it is needed?

[Marc]

Originally Posted by tech4arab

...and i hope to know why the auditor record this as NCR ...

If you received a non-conformance, tell us here exactly what the non-conformance says (what the auditor wrote).

[Jennifer Kirley]

Yes, as Marc asked please tell us exactly what this nonconformance said.

I would find that keeping samples of tested food products to be awkward over time... it is difficult to imagine such a requirement.

[tech4arab]

i get the corrective action plan

but sorry it was not clear


Non conformity :
the final product tracibility system are not undertake
they doesn't kept sample from final product and don't hold

clause : 7.9


corrective action :
the food box will bought and prepared inspection


and from the check list
in clause 8.2 (b) End products meet the defined acceptable levels

he write NCR see 7.9


in check list in clause 7.9 he write
it desired to keep sample from the final product , must be keep min 3 days in refrigerator ( 0 - 5 ) c degree


thanks