How to check for validity of registration scope during ISO9001:2008 external audit

[Libnani]

Dear all

Could you please advise how to check the validity of the certificate scope during an external audit to ISO9001:2008.

For example if the scope of company is :
"Design and manufacturing of accessories for ambulances made in steel , stainless steel , alumium , wood , plyester , kevlar"

should i check records of manufacturing for all these type of accessories and records of design for all these types ?
Maybe they did not produce Kevlar accesories , how can i validate the scope without seeing records of all materilals?

Another example
"Training and Recruitment agency "
I checked processes and procedures . i found that there is a recruitment process , but no records and no one apply till now. it will be acceptable as scope? or i should see records of ppl recruited?

[DannyK]

If you do not see evidence of some of the materials, ask the customer why it is in the scope. They may want to create a more general scope.

For the training and recruitment scope, look for their readiness to comply. Ask them questions and see if their answers correspond to the procedure.

[AndyN]

The scope statement represents the processes and activities the quality management system applies to. If there is no evidence that they have ever implemented a process or activity of the scope, then it can't be claimed in that scope! This is not a 'we could do XX', it's a 'we do do XX'

Otherwise we'd all be claiming to be rocket scientists...........

[JaneB]

Originally Posted by AndyN

This is not a 'we could do XX', it's a 'we do do XX'

Otherwise we'd all be claiming to be rocket scientists...........

Speak for yourself. My company could be inventing a cure for cancer.