|
Elsmar Cove Forum Sidebar
|
|
|
|
Monitor the Elsmar Forum
|
| Monitor New Forum Posts
|
|
Follow Marc & Elsmar
|
|
|
Elsmar Cove Groups
|
|
|
Sponsor Links
|
|
|
|
|
|
Donate and $ Contributor Forum Access
|
 |
|
Sponsored Links
|
|
|
|
Courtesy Quick Links
|
 Links that Elsmar Cove visitors will find useful in your quest for knowledge:
Howard's International Quality Services
Atul's Symphony Technologies
Marcelo Antunes' SQR Consulting
Bob Doering's Correct SPC - Precision Machining
NIST's Engineering Statistics Handbook
IRCA - International Register of Certified Auditors
SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers
Quality Digest Portal
IEST - Institute of Environmental Sciences and Technology
ASQ - American Society for Quality
|
|
 |
|

21st July 2009, 07:02 AM
|
|
On Holiday
Registration Date: Feb 2007
|
|
Posts: 217
Thanks Given to Others: 23
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Karma Power: 0 Karma: 20 
|
|
Could ISO 22000 auditee hold Auditor Responsible for subsequent safety breaches?
Dear Friends
if a lead auditor for ISO 22000 make the audit for food factory
and he was not qualified enought so there are some problem he didn't understand and not mention it in his report for audit , but upon his report the certificatiob body give the factory the certificate of ISO 22000
and after period of time , a problem in the factory happend and this problem is related to food safety and cause in hazard
in this case could the auditor be claimed from any authority and will be taken as a resposnible for this hazard
thanks
Last edited by blue moon; 21st July 2009 at 07:08 AM.
|

21st July 2009, 07:10 AM
|
|
On Holiday
Registration Date: Apr 2009
Location: manila, philippines
|
|
Posts: 490
Thanks Given to Others: 136
Thanked 70 Times in 63 Posts
Karma Power: 0
|
|
|
Re: could ISO 22000 audite claimed when risk happen ?
It’s the organization’s responsibility to control food safety hazards in order to ensure that food is safe at the time of human consumption
|

21st July 2009, 07:35 AM
|
|
On Holiday
Registration Date: Feb 2007
|
|
Posts: 217
Thanks Given to Others: 23
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Karma Power: 0 Karma: 20 
|
|
|
Re: could ISO 22000 audite claimed when risk happen ?
even he see a non compliance may affect the humen , but due to he is not qualified he didn't take it in his mind and didn't report it in his report
such an example i know a factory their infra structure and damaged and the floor and wall is brocken but maintain in a bad way
is this also the responsible of company not the auditor
|

21st July 2009, 07:42 AM
|
 |
Cross Forum Moderator
Registration Date: Jan 2005
Location: Southeast Wisconsin
|
|
Posts: 13,334
Thanks Given to Others: 1,779
Thanked 5,356 Times in 3,431 Posts
Karma Power: 1445
|
|
|
Re: could ISO 22000 audite claimed when risk happen ?
Quote:
In Reply to Parent Post by tech4arab
even he see a non compliance may affect the humen , but due to he is not qualified he didn't take it in his mind and didn't report it in his report
such an example i know a factory their infra structure and damaged and the floor and wall is brocken but maintain in a bad way
is this also the responsible of company not the auditor
|
It's hard to believe that an auditor could be held responsible for the condition of a building, but you're in Egypt and the laws there would be the determining factor. If there's a question of potential liability, a qualified attorney should be consulted.
__________________
We aim to please. You aim too, please.
|

21st July 2009, 07:44 AM
|
|
Appreciated Information Resource
Registration Date: Aug 2008
Location: SE Michigan, USA
|
|
Posts: 2,848
Thanks Given to Others: 1,036
Thanked 2,033 Times in 1,272 Posts
Karma Power: 351
|
|
|
Re: Could ISO 22000 auditee hold Auditor Responsible for subsequent safety breaches?
I agree with Jim's comment above regarding local laws, but in North America and Europe as far as I know, no shortcoming or malfeasance of an audited organization or facility is ever "the fault" of an auditor in regard to his/her auditing role.
|

21st July 2009, 07:47 AM
|
|
Super Moderator
Registration Date: Sep 2005
Location: Johore/Malaysia
|
|
Posts: 5,958
Thanks Given to Others: 1,409
Thanked 2,751 Times in 1,912 Posts
Karma Power: 662
|
|
|
Re: Could ISO 22000 auditee hold Auditor Responsible for subsequent safety breaches?
These kind of standards are voluntary in nature and have no legal standing in the eyes of the law. Don't waste your time and stop blaming!
|

21st July 2009, 07:57 AM
|
|
On Holiday
Registration Date: Feb 2007
|
|
Posts: 217
Thanks Given to Others: 23
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Karma Power: 0 Karma: 20 
|
|
|
Re: Could ISO 22000 auditee hold Auditor Responsible for subsequent safety breaches?
is this mean
is there are a factory in a country certified with ISO 22000 and export to eaurp or USA
and there are people affected by the product and die due to problem in this product
and authority find it is not applicable to get ISO 22000 , so there no one can cliam the certification body
because i know some certification body sell the iso certificate for money and didn't make any audit
|

21st July 2009, 08:06 AM
|
|
On Holiday
Registration Date: Apr 2009
Location: manila, philippines
|
|
Posts: 490
Thanks Given to Others: 136
Thanked 70 Times in 63 Posts
Karma Power: 0
|
|
|
Re: Could ISO 22000 auditee hold Auditor Responsible for subsequent safety breaches?
Quote:
In Reply to Parent Post by tech4arab
i know some certification body sell the iso certificate for money and didn't make any audit
|
Oh, that’s an accusation. Can you prove that?
|
Lower Navigation Bar
|
|
|
Do you find this discussion thread helpful and informational?
|
Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors (Members) and 1 Unregistered Guest Visitors)
|
|
|
| Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
|
| Display Modes |
Rate Thread Content |
Linear Mode
|
|
Forum Posting Settings
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
|