IMDS Warnings - Customer Requesting Fix (removal of warnings)

[Kales Veggie]

In Reply to Parent Post by Neil V.

Good question. In my un-expert opinion we are talking about scrubbing. To me, the Warning messages are a result of the actual composition (facts), not from a typo.

So how does one definitively make this determination?.....

I have many more questions than answers.

You make the determination by knowing what is in your materials and products and what the customer has specified (or you have specified) on the drawing.

[Kales Veggie]

In Reply to Parent Post by Neil V.

I follow what you're saying. I can't tell if that applies here or not though. Is it possible that my customer just wishes all warnings cleared before submitting to their customer (big 3)? Is a warning always cause for reject?

Obviously I have some homework to do on the meaning of the Warnings and what is allowed what isn't.

a warning is not always a cause for a reject. It depends on the warning and the material/substance in question.

[Kales Veggie]

In Reply to Parent Post by ralphsulser

IMDS is so confusing and complicated. The concept is great but it is the biggest pain in the rear and most time consuming report of any automotive requirement. They need to make it simple to get around and make revisions. This is not Fort Knox. Maybe I'm not adept enough as others but good grief

It is not necessarily the biggest pain, if planned properly. It should be part of the APQP process.

[Neil V.]

In Reply to Parent Post by ralphsulser

IMDS is so confusing and complicated. The concept is great but it is the biggest pain in the rear and most time consuming report of any automotive requirement. They need to make it simple to get around and make revisions. This is not Fort Knox. Maybe I'm not adept enough as others but good grief

Confusing?! But they give you such clear, concise instructions, like this..... (that's an actual page from one of their help guides)

(Kales, as far as IMDS maneuverability goes, you're probably in the 95th percentile )

[mk_Guruprasad]

Hi Neil,

I have run through all the questions you have raised. Mr. Kales is absolutely with the warning messages and you need to work with the concerned supplier for
to make corrections i.e.

1. Request for changing the deactivated substance.
2. As Kales said this is the new function or quality check adopted in IMDS to check whether the material classification is correct or not. I am attaching the document which provides you the details (Refer to pg 10-13).

Now coming to the last print screen, I think your customer or client is insisting you to check or run certificate of expenditure and find out the component which are with some problem. Usually this function is run with few criteria which you customer has marked. This is used to find the components, materials, substances which are existing in inhouse database (i.e earlier created IMDS) and provides the list of the components which are effected by this criteria.

Please refer to Certificate of expenditure of Analysis function for further details.

If you still have any problem please feel free to contact me.

Regards
Guruprasad

[malneni]

Hi Neil.
These two warnings are due to changes done by IMDS.
& It is very time consuming and irritating process for us to go into a previously Accepted IMDS to eliminate warnings.
If you have done the mds make changes from material level, if you have not ask your customer to do that otherwise you make a copy of the two materials and make changes to that.

1.For your first question, The substance is deactivated (may be due to duplication of substance in IMDS data ask the IMDS Help desk for exact reason) so replace with suitable one

2.Second one is due to changes made by IMDS to material classification.
Check the attached Excel file and determine the suitable classification for your material based on composition of material.

I know it is painful task to make changes from material level to an accepted MDS. IMDS committee should be blamed for this.They are still working on material classifications........

Venkatesh Malneni.

[Manix]

I am coming in on this a bit late, but I am also having the headache of OEMs sending me requests for updated data given the rev 7.0 changes.

I think the following may give others some explanations regarding the changes and why warnings are coming up:

http://mdsystem.com/html/data/why_mo...l_warnings.pdf

I have to note, that the OP kind of has the wrong idea about the need to change or at least acknowledge the warning errors and I hope the attached link helps. It is not about amending the raw data, it is about addressing the quality of that data. In many instances, it is the material classification that has been simply wrongly stated. However, the IMDS steering committee must take steps to ensure it is clear what OEMs should do in the presence of warning messages, as it is not feasible or fair to expect them and their suppliers to amend all warnings. Accepted IMDS submissions should be reviewed with a retrospective approach to the rules. A bit like the application of regulations and CSRs (customer specific requirements), they should apply to newly developed parts only, unless there are the errors are such that they will effect compliance with legal regs or directives.

It is also worth noting that "Warnings" are that, flags for attention, not necessarily show stoppers! See:

http://mdsystem.com/html/en/home_en.htm

and follow the "information regarding warnings in IMDS quality checks" link.

Hope this gives more info. Our specific issue is now with process gases and liquids noted in metal coatings and passivations. Our supply base tends to break these coatings down in their ingredient form rather than their finished form, which is going to cause us headaches!!

[ksanders]

I ran into the same thing at the end of last year. In all cases, it was an issue that my supplier had to address. There could be some cases where the supplier may have to change their process to eliminate a substance which has had it's allowable limit changed.

I support the premise for IMDS. My issue is that it often takes someone with a chemistry degree to complete the data entry, (i've had to contract this out at times) and the customer is always willing to insist you complete these additional requirements while still asking for annual cost reductions.

The next issue is that the further down the food chain you get, it seems the less capable the suppliers are to handle the requirements correctly, requiring you to expend more and more of your resources to accomplish the requirement.