Could we combine ISO 13485 and ISO 9001:2008?

[toile]

Hi ,
I have been consulting the site since the end of june 2009, I realy like it, I found a lot of ansers to my questions. I have just got my first job in this field, I have a certificate in quality assurance. It was very simple for the Iso 9001 certification that i studied, but last week one of our major customers asked to be certified ISO 13485.
Could you plase tell me what do I have to do in our case, we are already certified Iso 9001. What ae the steps. Do I have to make an other manual, other procedures and other forms or just add things to the ISo 9001 documentation. It will be very apreciated if you give me some examples.

We are producting Titanium powders that are used for chirurgical implants by our customer. What is th class and regulation for our product (titanium powders)

[Kales Veggie]

You will have to do a gap analysis between your current QMS and ISO13485 (probably also 11 CFR 820 if you export to the USA and Canadian medical device requirements), then augment your quality manual and procedures.

You will have to write several additional procedures and how you keep and maintain records might have to be changed.

There are several checklist published in the site here. Click on "post attachment list" and search for 13485.

If you have detailed questions, please ask.

[MIREGMGR]

What is the class and regulation for our product (titanium powders)

I'm not aware of how powdered titanium could be considered a medical device under Canadian, EU or US rules. It would seem to me to be a raw material.

Note however in regard to your own regulatory stance that this standard:

ISO 5832-2:1999, Implants for surgery - Metallic materials - Part 2: Unalloyed titanium

would seem to be relevant, in that your customer(s) may have to cite it in their documentation of their device-products.

In case US regulation is relevant, the above standard is FDA Recognized Consensus Standard 8-57. More info is available at:

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/script...ATION_NO=21827

[toile]

Hi Kales and MIREGMGR

Thanks very much for your response.

Kales, could you please give me more informations about the several additional procedures that I have to write and what kind of changes that might be done to the way of how records are maintaind and kept. Do you have some examples

[howste]

First off, do you have a copy of ISO 13485? This may answer some of your questions. Look at all of the paragraphs in italics, as they have the differences from ISO 9001.

I've attached a file listing the different procedures and records required in ISO 13485 over and above what ISO 9001 requires.

In Reply to Parent Post by Kales Veggie

...probably also 11 CFR 820...

Did you mean 21 CFR 820?

[Roland Cooke]

You will need to confirm if your Registrar can award ISO13485 registration, not all can. Potentially you will also need a Registrar that is accredited by Health Canada under the CMDCAS scheme.

If all of this is new to you, I would recommend hiring a consultant, even in addition to reviewing everything on the Cove.

Drop me a PM if you would like additional information.

[KCawley]

I also have been given the task of getting ISO13485 certification as our company are introducing a new medical device product (design will not be in scope).
We are currently certified to ISO 9001:2000 and the plan is to combine both standards so both 13485 & 9001 are combined in the same audit.
I just purchased the ISO13485 standard and Annex B gives a listing of the differences between 13485 & 9001 - in practical terms what would be the workload in getting certification to ISO13485 - what timeframe should I expect this to completed in?
I have limited knowledge of the ISO13485 requirements also

[Doug Tropf]

Welcome. Preparation efforts for ISO 13485 shouldn't be too time consuming since you are already certified to ISO 9001. You can use ISO 13485's Annex B as a guide to complete a gap analysis - then go to work. I would recommend you obtain ISO 14969 (the guide for application of ISO 13485) as I found it very useful in our certification efforts.