ISO/AS Surveillance Audit - Minor for not updating my QA Manual to ISO 9001:2008

[John Martinez]

The latest revision is ISO 9001:2008. The certificate on the wall shows ISO 9001:2008. The manual needs to reference ISO 9001:2008. There are many auditors (especially those from API) that will issue an NCR for the current revision of the standard not being stated in the manual. Sure you can argue the point with your registrar, and in forums such as these until the cows come home, but to what end? Just make the change to your manual and save yourself the grief.

API Q1 is stuck in the ISO 9001:1994 world. The original poster was AS and ISO certified. I do not know who, if any manufacture in both aerospace and oil patch.

[John Martinez]

In Reply to Parent Post by dQApprentice

Why is it that one of our internal auditors was tagged nonconformity for conducting an internal audit without ISO 9001:2008 trainings, only ISO 9001:2000?

Depends. If YOUR requirements state that auditors need to be trained, and did not specify the type training, they you have left the door opened to interpretation. ISO 9001:2008 does NOT require internal auditors to have training.

[John Martinez]

In Reply to Parent Post by Big Jim

I don't agree. Although for many if not most, that might be enough, you should go a bit further to make sure.

You should confirm that your documentation, understanding, and practice match the changed wording, that you have not drifted off in the wrong direction as feared by those that determined the rewording was necessary.

Ok, so instead of monitoring and measuring devices, it's now monitoring and measuring equipment. I guess TC 176 did not want to leave us to our own devices to determine what equipment needed calibration.

[Big Jim]

In Reply to Parent Post by John Martinez

Ok, so instead of monitoring and measuring devices, it's now monitoring and measuring equipment. I guess TC 176 did not want to leave us to our own devices to determine what equipment needed calibration.

Just for the record, I do not think it was necessary to change the wording of a quality manual for calibrated devices to calibrated equipment. They pretty much mean the same thing. Wording doesn't need to be a perfect match, or all quality manuals would parrot the standard word for word.

[piney]

In Reply to Parent Post by John Martinez

API Q1 is stuck in the ISO 9001:1994 world. The original poster was AS and ISO certified. I do not know who, if any manufacture in both aerospace and oil patch.

API Q1 is currently in the 8th Edition, released June 15th, 2008. The standard is word for word ISO 9001:2008, with 36-ish additional sub clauses added by API.

[John Martinez]

In Reply to Parent Post by piney

API Q1 is currently in the 8th Edition, released June 15th, 2008. The standard is word for word ISO 9001:2008, with 36-ish additional sub clauses added by API.

Yes, ISO 9001:2008 word for word. The other "36-ish" clauses are very prescriptive and very ISO 9001:1994-ish.
I recently taught an internal auditor course based upon ISO 9001:2008 and API Q1, so I understand Q1, t-h-o-u-r-o-u-g-h-a-l-l-y.

[John Martinez]

In Reply to Parent Post by Big Jim

Just for the record, I do not think it was necessary to change the wording of a quality manual for calibrated devices to calibrated equipment. They pretty much mean the same thing. Wording doesn't need to be a perfect match, or all quality manuals would parrot the standard word for word.

Hi, Big Jim - I understand what you were saying. It was my attempt a both humor and "jab" at TC 176 for that - tongue planted firmly in cheek - very thoughtful and very well thought out, 8 year planned word change. There is more value in the Notes changes - which are not auditable.

[Sidney Vianna]

In Reply to Parent Post by John Martinez

It was my attempt a both humor and "jab" at TC 176 for that - tongue planted firmly in cheek - very thoughtful and very well thought out, 8 year planned word change. There is more value in the Notes changes - which are not auditable.

We had fun for almost 3 years with the The Next version of ISO 9001 - Any news? thread.