Is Planning an AS9100 Quality Document?

[bronco-vinny]

Need help I have contradicting information, I have always understood the AS9100 standard requires all quality records are maintained and issued a quality form number to the point I have been written up. That planning (e.g. job traveler, shop traveler, manufacturing plan) is a quality document. So I have always issued them or have seen them with a document control number is this the case. The company I just started at has a consultant / auditor that disagrees with me and claims they don’t need to have a quality control form number. My claim is this document holds the entire manufacturing process history to the final product. Need help with this clarification from the standard.
Also are labels or stickers with critical information written on them also require a document control number? Thank you.

[Julius]

Your Consultant does not seem to understand the requirement. 7.1 very clearly points out and even makes it mandatory to have your planning documented and controlled. You are 100% correct and do not be influenced by the consultant. What position does the Registrar's Auditor take? Stick to you guns. Julius

[bronco-vinny]

Thank you for your help full information. As far as the auditors from past audits, I was once issued a minor finding for that issue along with quality labels/stickers not having a control number.

[Randy]

In Reply to Parent Post by bronco-vinny

I'm a bit on the slow side and not that bright, but I do not recall a "shall" here when it comes to a number.

That planning (e.g. job traveler, shop traveler, manufacturing plan) is a quality document. So I have always issued them or have seen them with a document control number is this the case.

Your consultant is correct, unless your company requires it

My claim is this document holds the entire manufacturing process history to the final product. Need help with this clarification from the standard.

Maybe yes, maybe no.....What are your company requirements because AS9100 doesn't mandate it?
Thank you.

You only have to do what you have to do, anything is is optional.

[Joy]

The standard does not need that documents including records need to be numbered.The requirements are
1. Clause 4.2.3 e) to ensure that documents remain legible and readily identifiable
2.Clause 4.2.4 A
documented procedure shall be established to define the controls needed for the identification

How you ensure identification or establish a system for identification is upto you.Auditor need to verify effective implementation of the system.If the auditor finds that the determined system is not appropriate for the organisation,he need to explain to auditee why it is not appropriate.

Identification of documents through numbering system is now practised for quite a long period and may be it started from ISO 9001:1987 or even earlier.It would be interesting to find the inventor of system.Even though there is a number on the document,the name of the document is also mentioned.So you will find "List of approved supplier PO-VEN-01" or "Procedure for recruitment HR/PR/05".In this way we are ensuring double identification.Rarely we find documents with only number.

Here,I would be interested to know whether the "planning" you mentioned is in your brain or the information related to planning is captured in some media.The definition of document is "information and it's supporting media".So if the planning is in your thought,it may not be considered as document.So no need of identification even.

[sorin]

All that is required is: control and document. How you will do it, that's your problem. The auditor have no business in telling you HOW to do it.
You can identify them with stars and smilies as long as it's controlled and documented.