The Elsmar Cove Forum and Site Map The Elsmar Cove Wiki More Free Files The Elsmar Cove Forums Discussion Thread Index Post Attachments Listing Failure Modes Services and Solutions to Problems Elsmar cove Forums Main Page Elsmar Cove Home Page

Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > Common Quality Assurance Processes and Tools > Training - Internal, External and Distance Learning


The Elsmar Cove Forum SideBar!
Monitor the Forum
Monitor New Forum Posts
New Threads Feeds
RSS FeedRSS Feed
Sponsor Link










$ Contributor Forum Access
Courtesy Quick Links

Links that Elsmar Cove visitors will find useful in your quest for knowledge:


Howard's International Quality Services

Atul's Symphony Technologies

Dave Scott's Scott Quality Solutions

Praxiom Research Group


NIST's Engineering Statistics Handbook

IRCA - International Register of Certified Auditors

SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers

Quality Digest Portal

IEST - Institute of Environmental Sciences and Technology

ASQ - American Society for Quality


All the Important Standards and Related Web Sites in the World
View Poll Results: Use of Computer Aided Learning for Quality Topics
Yes, we use e-learning and it is very effective 2 5.56%
E-learning doesn't / didn't work for us (Provide reasons, if possible) 1 2.78%
Classroom training is our preferred approach 5 13.89%
We train people on the job 5 13.89%
We use Classroom and OJT 12 33.33%
We use Classroom and OJT and E-learning 8 22.22%
Not Applicable to me - e.g. Independent Consultant 3 8.33%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Content Display Modes
  #1  
Old 14th March 2002, 07:11 AM
Atul Khandekar's Avatar
Atul Khandekar Atul Khandekar is offline
Forum Administrator

Registration Date: Mar 2000
Location: Pune, India
Age: 47
 
Posts: 1,073
Thanks Given to Others: 83
Thanked 84 Times in 55 Posts
Karma Power: 90
Atul Khandekar has disabled his/her Karma.
Send a message via Skype™ to Atul Khandekar
Default E-Learning

Have any of you tried to implement e-learning or Computer-Aided Teaching (Web based or companywide intranet based or standalone CBTs etc) for Quality Topics like SPC, MSA, FMEA, DOE, Calibration, GD&T & so on?

I know there are a whole lot of web based training modules available. What I want to find out is how many of you actively use / have used these techniques in your organizations? Were these initiative successful? If not, why not? What should be the attributes of a good e-learning program / CBT for Quality Technology?

Thanx.
-Atul.

Last edited by Atul Khandekar; 14th March 2002 at 07:15 AM.
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 14th March 2002, 07:44 AM
Claes Gefvenberg's Avatar
Claes Gefvenberg Claes Gefvenberg is offline
Forum Administrator

Registration Date: May 2000
Location: Eskilstuna, Sweden
Age: 49
 
Posts: 3,771
Thanks Given to Others: 246
Thanked 244 Times in 172 Posts
Blog Entries: 13
Karma Power: 213
Karma: 4951
Claes Gefvenberg is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Claes Gefvenberg is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Claes Gefvenberg is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Claes Gefvenberg is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Claes Gefvenberg is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Claes Gefvenberg is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Claes Gefvenberg is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Claes Gefvenberg is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Claes Gefvenberg is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Claes Gefvenberg is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Claes Gefvenberg is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Claes Gefvenberg is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Claes Gefvenberg is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Lightbulb In a way, yes

In a limited way I have...

I frequently use Powerpoint with a large screen. The actual teaching is done in a classroom, but where we used to dish out a pile of paper I just tell people that the notes I used can be found on our intranet.

This seems to work pretty well. ( At least a lot better than the old piles of paper that always seem to clog up offices or waste bins).

It's easy to set up a link to a powerpoint file or convert it to HTML.

Proper E-learning...? I've seen a rather lame attempt here so far: A very "flashy" application designed to teach us about the company. Well, it was flashy, but they forgot to put some good content in it... Result? Boooooring...

/Claes
__________________
Hanlon's Razor.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
User Groups: Elsmar Cove Cycling Enthusiasts Formula 1 fanatics Photo freaks Readers Corner
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

  #3  
Old 14th March 2002, 02:36 PM
Marc's Avatar
Marc Marc is offline
Your Elsmar Cove Host

Registration Date: Jan 1996
Location: West Chester, Ohio - USA
Age: 59
 
Posts: 15,857
Thanks Given to Others: 1,895
Thanked 1,566 Times in 1,018 Posts
Blog Entries: 4
Karma Power: 605
Karma: 11559
Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Send a message via AIM to Marc Send a message via Skype™ to Marc
Exclamation

I took the liberty of expanding the options a bit. In part because there was no way for me to view the poll results until I voted and there was no option for me!
If anyone wants to change their vote, let me know - I can change the numbers.
__________________
A Search is a terrible thing to waste!
One Test is Worth 1000 Expert Opinions - The plural of anecdote is not data.
We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. - Unknown
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 14th March 2002, 02:41 PM
Atul Khandekar's Avatar
Atul Khandekar Atul Khandekar is offline
Forum Administrator

Registration Date: Mar 2000
Location: Pune, India
Age: 47
 
Posts: 1,073
Thanks Given to Others: 83
Thanked 84 Times in 55 Posts
Karma Power: 90
Atul Khandekar has disabled his/her Karma.
Send a message via Skype™ to Atul Khandekar
Default

Thanx Marc, I should have thought of it before!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 14th March 2002, 03:15 PM
Marc's Avatar
Marc Marc is offline
Your Elsmar Cove Host

Registration Date: Jan 1996
Location: West Chester, Ohio - USA
Age: 59
 
Posts: 15,857
Thanks Given to Others: 1,895
Thanked 1,566 Times in 1,018 Posts
Blog Entries: 4
Karma Power: 605
Karma: 11559
Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Send a message via AIM to Marc Send a message via Skype™ to Marc
Red Face

No problem. I've posted enough polls now to have been beaten up numerous times for 'poor design'. Once you post a few you'll see 'failure modes' in your design early. My first polls were impulse polls (Hey - This is a neat feature - Let's try it out!) and I did a very poor job at designing them. But then again, this is all in unscientific fun, right?
I DO like the poll feature of this software. I think it's pretty neat.
__________________
A Search is a terrible thing to waste!
One Test is Worth 1000 Expert Opinions - The plural of anecdote is not data.
We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. - Unknown
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 15th March 2002, 10:08 PM
Al Dyer
Unregistered Guest

 
Posts: n/a
Hehehe...

I don't believe in informal or formal training. I believe that a person learns what is needed for his or her proffesion, reading, practice, experience, practice.

When I took a lead internal auditor class I was asking questions that could not be answered. Which goes to the hypothesis that you don't ask a question unless you know the answer.

I've seen a few people come out of the education system that had great degree work but diddddddn't know how to fill out an SPC chart and interpret it let alone make a decision on it.

Am I against education? No No No, but a grade school education is worth a four year degree these days!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, still pessimistic!!!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 17th March 2002, 12:07 AM
Marc's Avatar
Marc Marc is offline
Your Elsmar Cove Host

Registration Date: Jan 1996
Location: West Chester, Ohio - USA
Age: 59
 
Posts: 15,857
Thanks Given to Others: 1,895
Thanked 1,566 Times in 1,018 Posts
Blog Entries: 4
Karma Power: 605
Karma: 11559
Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Send a message via AIM to Marc Send a message via Skype™ to Marc
Spin! Surely You Jest!

> I don't believe in informal or formal training.

As far as I can tell you're just saying all you believe in is On The Job training and 'life experience', Al. You may not like the word training, but it's the same thing.

> I've seen a few people come out of the education system
> that had great degree work but diddddddn't know how to
> fill out an SPC chart and interpret it let alone make a
> decision on it.

In the same vein, I've seen people who didn't have the benefit of a higher education system who couldn't fill out an SPC chart or knew anything else about SPC. What's your point?

> a grade school education is worth a four year degree these
> days

Surely you jest...
__________________
A Search is a terrible thing to waste!
One Test is Worth 1000 Expert Opinions - The plural of anecdote is not data.
We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. - Unknown
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 19th March 2002, 05:46 PM
Atul Khandekar's Avatar
Atul Khandekar Atul Khandekar is offline
Forum Administrator

Registration Date: Mar 2000
Location: Pune, India
Age: 47
 
Posts: 1,073
Thanks Given to Others: 83
Thanked 84 Times in 55 Posts
Karma Power: 90
Atul Khandekar has disabled his/her Karma.
Send a message via Skype™ to Atul Khandekar
Default

I do believe some sort of a formal and standard training / education has to be provided for every type of job in order to prepare the basics which can later be applied 'on the job'.

It is difficult to judge anything from just 14 votes (as of now), but I was expecting a much better acceptance of Computer-Aided-Learing.

Any reasons why it is not done?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation Bar
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > Common Quality Assurance Processes and Tools > Training - Internal, External and Distance Learning

Bookmarks


Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors and 1 Unregistered Guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Forum Search
Display Modes Rate Thread Content
Rate Thread Content:

Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Discussion Threads
Discussion Thread Title Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post or Poll Vote
Aerospace Quality related Distance Training/Learning/Exams quality.shesha Training - Internal, External and Distance Learning 2 13th October 2006 11:30 PM
Foundations in Quality Learning Series: ASQ's Quality Basics ScottK Training - Internal, External and Distance Learning 1 7th August 2006 08:58 PM
E-learning take 2... Is anyone currently, or in the past, tried E-Learning? Claes Gefvenberg Training - Internal, External and Distance Learning 21 10th January 2005 08:02 AM
Distance Learning - Quality Management and TQM - Seeking Recommendations Narfeldt Training - Internal, External and Distance Learning 1 17th March 2004 10:37 PM
Distance Learning where I would be able to obtain a 4 year degree in Quality? Aaron Lupo Training - Internal, External and Distance Learning 7 22nd February 2001 04:29 PM



The time now is 09:33 AM. All times are GMT -4.
The time zone can be changed in your UserCP --> Options.



   

All Y'All Come Back Now, Y' Hear?

Made With A Mac! FreeBSD OS Powered by Apache!
Using php4 Forums provided and maintained by Marc Smith Database by MySQL

FAIR USE and CORRECTNESS NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe herein constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. In addition, I do not guarantee the correctness of the content. The risk of using content from the Elsmar Cove web site and forums remains with the user/visitor.

Responsibility Statement: Each person is responsible for anything they post in the Elsmar Cove forum. Neither I, Marc Timothy Smith, nor any of the forum Moderators, are responsible for the content of posts people make. Liability for post content resides with the poster as does interpretation and/or acceptance and/or use of advice by the reader.

Complaints: If you have a complaint with a post in a forum discussion thread, including Content in general, fighting, flaming, copyright infringement, defamation and/or 'slander', please use the 'Report This Post Report This Post Button button which appears at the top of every post in every thread.

Site courtesy of:
Marc Timothy Smith - Cayman Business Systems, 8466 Lesourdsville-West Chester Road, West Chester, Ohio 45069-1929 - USA
(513) 341-6272

To contact me, click the Google Voice link below, enter Your Name and Your Phone Number and Google will ring your phone and connect you for free!

The Elsmar Cove Web Site is *CopyFree*
no new posts