What is meant by "Configuration Management"?

[Sidney Vianna]

In Reply to Parent Post by Big Jim

What do you do to make sure that you build to the correct revision?

Wouldn't an ISO 9001 compliant organization be expected to do the same? CM is not a requirement of ISO 9001.

[Big Jim]

In Reply to Parent Post by Sidney Vianna

Wouldn't an ISO 9001 compliant organization be expected to do the same? CM is not a requirement of ISO 9001.

That's an interesting question, isn't it?

What this reveals is that at least this requirement of AS9100 asks for more detail on the topic than ISO 9001 does. Is this not true for other topics as well?

[michellemmm]

In Reply to Parent Post by Sidney Vianna

Wouldn't an ISO 9001 compliant organization be expected to do the same? CM is not a requirement of ISO 9001.

I believe we need to look at expressed Vs implied requirements.

As an auditor, I might not be able to find nonconformity in CM in an ISO 9000 compliant company, but I know how CM interfaces with other processes......

[amanbhai]

In Reply to Parent Post by Big Jim

"Configuration Management" is a particularly unfathomable term. The person that thought of using it in the AS standard should have been drawn and quartered. Surely they could have found an easier more understandable term.

In clearer terms it is "revision level control". It entails what you need to do to ensure that what you build is what your customer wants, that is that the agreed configuration (revision level) matches the actual configuration (revision level).

Good phrasing! Wow

[bambino Spin]

In Reply to Parent Post by michellemmm

I believe we need to look at expressed Vs implied requirements. ......

Can you explain this statement?

Thanks, Michellemmm.

[Wes Bucey]

In Reply to Parent Post by michellemmm

I believe we need to look at expressed Vs implied requirements.

As an auditor, I might not be able to find nonconformity in CM in an ISO 9000 compliant company, but I know how CM interfaces with other processes......

In Reply to Parent Post by bambino Spin

Can you explain this statement?

Thanks, Michellemmm.

As I indicated above - CM is just a part of document management. Any person managing documents must continually be alert to weeding out obsolete documents. It is just a matter of good management for that person to update Associated Documents as necessary.

Aerospace folks just put a lot of emphasis on CM, therefore it is "expressed," whereas in many other industries it is a normal part of document management, therefore "implied."

Only a complete beginner might ignore the need to confirm all documents are correct and up-to-date BEFORE expending time and money on a production process. Folks have been and continue performing "Configuration Management" as a process without ever knowing or using the term "configuration management."

Similarly, most organizations have a Quality Management System (regardless of its efficacy or efficiency) without ever using the term "Quality Management System."

Don't get hung up on the terminology - concentrate on the PROCESS!

[bambino Spin]

In Reply to Parent Post by Wes Bucey

As I indicated above - CM is just a part of document management. Any person managing documents must continually be alert to weeding out obsolete documents. It is just a matter of good management for that person to update Associated Documents as necessary.

Aerospace folks just put a lot of emphasis on CM, therefore it is "expressed," whereas in many other industries it is a normal part of document management, therefore "implied."

Only a complete beginner might ignore the need to confirm all documents are correct and up-to-date BEFORE expending time and money on a production process. Folks have been and continue performing "Configuration Management" as a process without ever knowing or using the term "configuration management."

Similarly, most organizations have a Quality Management System (regardless of its efficacy or efficiency) without ever using the term "Quality Management System."

Don't get hung up on the terminology - concentrate on the PROCESS!

Wes, relax. I was only asking for clarification. Aren't I allowed to ask a simple question?

You say, "Don't get hung up on the terminology!" (exclamation point in red) But I still want to know what "Vs" means. I still need to understand the terms used. Please don't discourage questions and defining terms.

Thanks.

[Jim Wynne]

In Reply to Parent Post by michellemmm

I believe we need to look at expressed Vs implied requirements.

As an auditor, I might not be able to find nonconformity in CM in an ISO 9000 compliant company, but I know how CM interfaces with other processes......

In Reply to Parent Post by bambino Spin

Wes, relax. I was only asking for clarification. Aren't I allowed to ask a simple question?

You say, "Don't get hung up on the terminology!" (exclamation point in red) But I still want to know what "Vs" means. I still need to understand the terms used. Please don't discourage questions and defining terms.

Thanks.

"Vs" is short for "versus." An "expressed" (or "express") requirement is one that's explicitly conveyed and should be taken literally and verbatim. An "implied" requirement is one that is not expressed explicitly, but one that a reasonable person would assume to have the force of an express requirement. In the current context, "configuration management" is an express requirement of the AS document, but it's an implied requirement of ISO 9001, because the words "configuration management" aren't used.