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24th May 2002, 06:04 PM
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Shainin & Others... Views expressed about 'Quality Gurus'
Ever since I read this one, I have been wondering what the Cove members may think of the views expressed about 'Quality Gurus' - This is straight out of "World Class Quality" by Keki Bhote (1988):
"... Dorian Shainin is one of the 'gurus' of quality on the American scene. Among the others, Phil Crosby is a showman, useful for companies in the dark ages of quality. Juran is superb for general management. Deming now concentrates on twisting top management's tail. Shainin alone is a consummate "tool" man - the master problem solver...."
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16th April 2004, 02:31 AM
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All this time later, is anyone interested in commenting?
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16th April 2004, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Marc
All this time later, is anyone interested in commenting?
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No comment, but people unfamiliar with Dorian may be interested in reading a brief biography on the ASQ site ***DEAD ASQ LINK REMOVED***
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Last edited by Marc; 20th May 2008 at 01:16 AM.
Reason: Dead ASQ link removed.
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16th April 2004, 05:01 AM
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The link is a good summary.
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20th April 2004, 02:23 AM
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I do not know Shainin too much, but I notice that Shainin is a founder of a DOE tool, so-called “Shainin Method” which preferred by VW and Bosch. But I do not know too much about it, can someone here have some material to share. Any help will be appreciated.
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20th April 2004, 08:32 AM
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Frankly,
ALL the Guru's had something to offer and a piece of the whole pie. None addressed all issues or covered the gamut.
Dorian Shanin lived about 10 minutes from me prior to his death, and I was fortunate to spend a week locked in a conference room with him working on a problem resolution about 8 years ago.
I'll only comment on Shanin here. . . he DOES have a basketful of statistical engineering tools. They do work well but have their limitations also. He is the practical tool man of the bunch.
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20th April 2004, 09:55 AM
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All had something to offer and I think a lot of it was salesmanship, good ole fashion consumerism, among other things. One question I would ask and it may be another thread is "What makes a quality guru?" Maybe a job description.
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20th April 2004, 10:01 AM
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There was at least one other thread where Q "gurus" were discussed and I think Atul participated.
I know little of Shainin. I would guess that Shainin was not as much of a marketer as the others because I think he has the least name recognition.
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