Difference between the Quality Plan vs. Control Plan

[martinh]

Hello,
I'm a new Forum-Member and I have a question:
At the moment we are preparing for TS16949. But we are a little bit confused about some words.
Can anyone tell the difference between the QM-Plan and the Control-Plan? I think the old "QM-Plan" is just what TS is calling a "Control-Plan". I'm I right?
Thanks
Martin

[Roger Eastin]

Where did you see the QM plan referred to? It wasn't in the TS document, was it?

[Sporty]

TS refers to a "Quality Plan" which they define as "a document specifying which procedures and associated resources shall be applied by whom and when to a specific project, product, process or contract."

I haven't seen a "QM Plan" referred to anywhere.

Not sure if this is what you are looking for...can you let us know where specifically in TS it refers to the QM Plan.

[martinh]

Sorry for confusing you .
Because I'm from Germany I read both, the english and the german version of TS. And in the german one, the Quality-Plan is called QM-Plan. So, of course I meen "Quality-Plan".

What a Control Plan is, seems to be clear. It is named in 7.5.1.1 and Annex A and should reflect the product realization process.
But should it be in a format like QS 9000 AIAG-Standard?

But "Quality Plan".
I only found it in 7.5.1.2 (Work instructions).
Should a Quality Plan be more general? I.e. should it describe the processes with inputs, process owners and so on?

Thank you for your reply.
Martin

[Howard Atkins]

There are several references to Quality Plan in the standard

7.1
NOTE 1 A document specifying the processes of the quality management system (including the product realization

This refers to the whole system.

7.1.1 Planning of product realization - Supplemental
Customer requirements and references to its technical specifications shall be included in the planning of product
realization as a component of the quality plan.

Here it would appear to be the same as control plan.
7.5.1.2 as you pointed out

These instructions shall be derived from sources such as the quality plan, the control plan and the product realization process.

This doese not really say anything.
and Appendix A1

Each part shall have a control plan but, in many cases, family control plans may cover a number of similar parts produced using a common process. Control plans are an output of the quality plan.

I think in general the quality plan is your system and is used to make specific control plans.
I dont think you actually need a document.

[Howard Atkins]

See also this thread
http://Elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=4803

I'm ready for a lambasting, but in basic terms,

QM-Plan would be along the lines of a quality manual and/or a procedure manual that refers to how the company does business and controls "elemental" processes.

A Control Plan is a formal document with a specific format that defines how a certain product is produced, from receiving raw material to shipping final product. As such their will probably be a control for each part that you produce. I don't want to muddy the waters with talk of process families.

[remsqa]

HAI

The differance between the Quality plan and the Control plan.

Quality plan : How we are ensure the conformance of the part beiing produced,

Examples :Control plan,Work instruction


Control plan: the document which details the nature and the flow of component in the operation or in a process.

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