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14th August 2002, 09:31 AM
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Competence
ISO is putting an emphasis on employee competence in their revised specifications.
How would you evaluate the competence of an employee?
How would you document the competence of an employee?
And finally...who in your opinion shall determine if an employee is competent
Employer or auditor?
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14th August 2002, 10:34 AM
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The employer calls it.
Ok… I’ll bite….
Evaluate:
I would ask myself if the employee is able to perform the task at hand. If so, you have a competent employee.
Document:
Lack of competence should lead to a training and / or education plan.
Determine:
The employer hired the person, in order to get a job done. The employer shall also determine the necessary competence for the employee. Of course the auditor can voice an opinion, but the employer must determine if the employee is competent.
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14th August 2002, 11:42 AM
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Ken,
I agree with Claes.
You probably already do this so don't sweat it. The employer, usually the employee's trainer, supervisor or manager, determines competence. Can they do the job properly?
To document, we do a simple form where we list the employee's name, the task(s) they are "certified" or "authorized" to perform, the trainer's/certifier's name, date, and signatures.
Make sense?
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14th August 2002, 12:39 PM
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Makes Sense
I'm writing a procedure to cover Section 5.2 in ISO 17025.
We currently do a yearly employee evaluation. It covers job performance, goals accomplished, job responsibility priorites, an assessment of potential, training / educational needs, goals for upcoming evaluation period.
So I guess we have everything covered. I'll just insert a link to the form we use.
I always get this nightmarish scenario running through my mind before an audit. As we're going through the audit, the auditor screams out..."you incompetent *******!"
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14th August 2002, 12:47 PM
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Ken,
Understood about the stress.
All I would add is a reference to how you evaluate employee competence in the beginning -- when deciding whether or not to hire -- and then how you decide when they can start to make product/do their assigned tasks on their own (before the first yearly evaluation). Then I think you're covered, but I'm not familiar with ISO 17025. Good luck.
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14th August 2002, 04:28 PM
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Hey Ken,
If you are doing yearly employee appraisals then you probably have competence covered.
I had a problem because our Union contract does not allow annual performance reviews.  Therefore, we had no appraisal format.
My management kept pointing to training records, thinking that training alone makes you competent. It took awhile to get the message across that being able to do the minimum tasks required for a job makes you qualified…being able to perform those tasks effectively over time makes you competent. You cannot determine competency the day that training is completed.
We came up with a simple 1 page form that is filled out by the Floor Supervisor once a year to cover it. It doesn't violate the contract, and it isn't a review. It's just documentation.
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14th August 2002, 05:41 PM
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KISS Principle
For the training part of the new hire competency we modified our training checklist to add a column the supervisor or senior operator doing the training initials indicating the individual demonstrated the skill properly.
On our annual performance appraisals we added a line on the sign off sheet the employee and supervisor signs that says the employee is competent in thier job. If the employee is not competent, then there is an area to develop a training plan.
So all we did was add a column and a line. We did also talk with the supervisors and the senior operators to let them know what the expectations were for the new areas. We got little to no resistance to the changes.
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Minimal documentation
I have a client that has about 20 folks. They built a matrix showing the tasks and the names and then rate the employees on each task (whether they perform it or not). The rating is:
0 = Unaware of task
1 = They have awareness, but cannot perform
2 = They can perform, but need supervision
3 = They can perform without supervision
4 = They can instruct others
A number 4 doesn’t have to be an expert, and a number 3 might be an expert. To get to number 4 the employee must be able to show they have the ability to train others (patience, communicative skills, etc)
That is the only documentation they have, unless someone attends a class and comes back with a piece of paper. The supervisors are responsible for deciding who is at what level and changing the level as time progresses.
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