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Old 7th September 2002, 01:12 AM
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We have over 5000 employees,
We have 6 grades-A,B,C,D,E and Rank and File.
A and B grades have one annual appraisal and one Bi-Monthly appraisal.
All others have the same but in a different form.
The immediate supervisor is responsible for the appraisal.
All those who take appraisals MUST do an appraisal training.
Bi monthly appraisals are not sent to HRD.
Annual appraisals are.
Promotions are based on appraisals.
Internal auditors aggresively pursue non compliance to this.
Non Compliance taken up big time in management review meetings.
It is largely a fair system and an objective exercise.Yet to hear of any disagreements.

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Laughing OOPS!

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Energy, do not let your registrar know what your boss said. I heard one story of a registrar that was doing a registration audit and the lead auditor heard this from the mouth of the President and pulled up stakes and told the President to call them back when they were serious about registration. Do not know if it is true or not but you can always metion it to your boss.
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There is a good chance that by posting that comment my future registrar may know about it, now. Let's hope that it is another urban legend. CEO's can say the darndest things and one stupid statement does not provide evidence for a registrar, a supplier, to pack up and go. I don't believe it. Auditors hear all kinds of **** from all kinds of people. It would be no surprise to them. As soon as you conducted your audit, you would know whether there is company comittment. I would also demand a refund and stop payment until the audit was done. Maybe, the Auditor and the MR were lovers and the Auditor got mad.
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We have an annual appraisal, and this years will be my first proper one at this company (which I joined just over a year ago). However I know my boss treats them as another documentation exercise he has to do, and quite honestly he doesnt have the skill to use such a system properly.

First of all you have to complete a self assessment form, this is then handed to the boss to be used in the review. Well my thoughts were that if you take these things seriously (which I certainly do) and the company openly requests your honest thoughts, then let them have it. As such I wrote my self assessment that was very critical of the role I am currently performing - some four months later I am still awaiting the appraisal meeting !!
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Hehehe... Shrewd or scared?

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Well my thoughts were that if you take these things seriously (which I certainly do) and the company openly requests your honest thoughts, then let them have it. As such I wrote my self assessment that was very critical of the role I am currently performing - some four months later I am still awaiting the appraisal meeting !!
M,

Baiting you to say what's on your noodle, can be a way to see if you are going to be a problem further on down the road. Kind of like telling the wife the truth when she asks if she's getting fat!
Some things are best left unsaid. The role you are playing is the brainstorm of one of those senior managers who probably thinks you should be lucky to have a job, you ungrateful, thankless, whining, unpromotable wretch!

Or, on the other hand, your titanlike proportions, being 6'5 weighing 235lbs and sounding a little pi**ed off, may have him doing dooky in his knickers! You think?
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Old 9th September 2002, 03:54 AM
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I certianly thought long and hard about the content energy, but concluded that I couldnt continue along this same course, so come what may it could do no harm.

Suffer in silence and you deserve to suffer !
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Cool Been there

M,

Once, during previous employment, our scoring of performance categories was measured 1 to 5. 5 being the best, 1 the worst. This "new" performance review was instituted after I had been there about 10 years. Plenty of time to know your boss, and others.

The top managers were asked to do their own evaluation. My boss told me that he rated hinself at 59, out of a possible 60. He gave me a 33. He asked me what did I think about his score. My thought was to tell him that only the Almighty is a 60 and that he is very close to Godliness. And that it appears that I'm half the employee he was, which we also know is bull****. Actually, I thought that in the 30's was good because it reflected half satisfactory and a lot on above average. Room for improvement, you might say. I did my 7 Inspectors and gave them higher 30's than I received.

The tendency to react was overwhelming. I just laughed and said "That's pretty good". He said that he would have had a 60 if he followed through on his tasks".

The average company score ended being a 45-55 range, indicated that my department was way below par. Well, nothing could have farther from the truth. I took Management to task for Managers inflating their employees scores to look good. Again, my experience there also told me which departments deserved better. The following year that system of reviews was scrapped as it was being abused.

Finally, in a few years, this Manager with the 60, was promoted to General Manager and he promoted me to QA Manager, the position he vacated. Did I plan it that way? No. But, something told me to not project my feelings in a vociferous manner lest I be deemed "unpromotable". I spent 19 years there and finally had enough. My subsequent supervisors were all 60's in their minds, too. But not to their supervisors. Brutal, isn't it?
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Interesting.

In a previous job with a similar system I achieved 'satisfactory' markings although in the actual review I was very highly praised. As a result I protested that the marks given did not reflect the tone and message that came across in the actual review. Following this my marks were upgraded to 'excellent' and my boss approached the whole review system and marking differently from then on - a result.

Guess you just got to 'know when to hold them, know when to fold them, etc, etc' (K Rogers - P.S. not a fan !).
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Our company uses a Salaried Performance Evaluation form on an annual basis (January). Contains five parts:

1. Self-Assessment
2. Performance Evaluation (completed by manager)
3. Goals for Upcoming Evaluation Period (completed together)
4. Completed Training / Education
5. Planned Training / Education

Fill it out correctly with a little BS mixed in and come July you get
a raise (4% this past year).

Fill it out correctly with a little BS mixed in and come July you get
a raise and a 50-50 chance your name will be added to the Reduction in Workforce list and will be outa a job right before Christmas.

Isn't Corporate America grand!
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