The Elsmar Cove Forum and Site Map The Elsmar Cove Wiki More Free Files The Elsmar Cove Forums Discussion Thread Index Post Attachments Listing Failure Modes Services and Solutions to Problems Elsmar cove Forums Main Page Elsmar Cove Home Page

Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > Common Quality Assurance Processes and Tools > Design and Development - Process and Product


The Elsmar Cove Forum SideBar!
Monitor the Forum
Monitor New Forum Posts
New Threads Feeds
RSS FeedRSS Feed
Sponsor Link










$ Contributor Forum Access
Courtesy Quick Links

Links that Elsmar Cove visitors will find useful in your quest for knowledge:


Howard's International Quality Services

Atul's Symphony Technologies

Dave Scott's Scott Quality Solutions

Praxiom Research Group


NIST's Engineering Statistics Handbook

IRCA - International Register of Certified Auditors

SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers

Quality Digest Portal

IEST - Institute of Environmental Sciences and Technology

ASQ - American Society for Quality


All the Important Standards and Related Web Sites in the World
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Content Display Modes
  #1  
Old 17th December 2002, 10:05 AM
Andrews Andrews is offline
Involved - Posts

Registration Date: Oct 2001
Location: Chennai - India
Age: 32
 
Posts: 293
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Karma Power: 39
Karma: 43
Andrews has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Please Help! DOE - Design of Experiments - Shainin

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE DIRECT ME TO A WEBSITE THAT COVERS DESIGN OF EXPERIMENTS.
HOW MANY OF YOU USE THIS TO QUALIFY SPECIAL PROCESSES.
WHAT APPROACH DO YOU ADOPT TO QUALIFY SPECIAL PROCESSES
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 17th December 2002, 01:13 PM
Bill Ryan's Avatar
Bill Ryan Bill Ryan is offline
Dogs rule

Registration Date: Jul 2002
Location: Madison, WI
Age: 56
 
Posts: 980
Thanks Given to Others: 15
Thanked 23 Times in 16 Posts
Karma Power: 69
Karma: 1002
Bill Ryan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.Bill Ryan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.Bill Ryan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.Bill Ryan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.Bill Ryan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.Bill Ryan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.Bill Ryan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.Bill Ryan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.
Default

Andrews,

There are any number of DOE websites. Therre are also modifications on the "DOE" formats, depending on which statistician you wish to "adopt". If you type "Design of Experiments" into your Search Engine, you'll be able to pick and choose which one suits you.

I'm relatively new here at the Cove, but you might try a Cove "Search" in case there has been discussion on the subject (I would doubt you would get the detail, but possibly a good overview of the power of DOE).

I'd like to give you a specific link but I don't know what level of information you are looking for. There are also numerous texts available - all with varying levels of topic "understanding" needed.

Sorry I can't be of more definitive help. My company took all our Technicians and Engineers through "In-house" training using George Box's methodolgy (and it has served us well!!), but we also use Taguchi and Shainin (depends on what the responsible engineer is used to).

I wish you luck!!!

Bill
__________________
There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face. - Ben Williams
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

  #3  
Old 16th July 2003, 10:16 AM
Andrews Andrews is offline
Involved - Posts

Registration Date: Oct 2001
Location: Chennai - India
Age: 32
 
Posts: 293
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Karma Power: 39
Karma: 43
Andrews has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Default

What I was looking for was some website on Shainin DOE.I heard that Shainin DOE is faster in getting the results than Taguchi.Is it true? What is your opinion?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 16th July 2003, 02:37 PM
Ravi Khare's Avatar
Ravi Khare Ravi Khare is offline
Involved - Posts

Registration Date: Dec 2001
Location: Pune, India
Age: 48
 
Posts: 70
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Karma Power: 35
Karma: 58
Ravi Khare has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Default

Each of the DOE methods have their own merit.
Shainin DOE is the simplistic version.
Taguchi DOE comes useful if you are looking at Parameter Design and Tolerance Design. The concurrent statistic of S/N ratio is used in Taguchi methods. Taguchi Methods are effectively used in evaluation of Robustness and Robust Design.
Ronald Fisher's Classical DOE emphasizes ANOVA that can isolate real effects from the within treatment noise.
The best course of action would be to use the best combination of all the methods based on the demand of the problem.
As someone has rightly said on these forums; its Horses for Courses.
__________________
If you cannot measure it, you cannot improve it.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 21st August 2003, 11:52 AM
Groo3's Avatar
Groo3 Groo3 is offline
Involved in Discussions

Registration Date: Jul 2003
Location: USA, NY, Westchester County
Age: 48
 
Posts: 94
Thanks Given to Others: 13
Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts
Karma Power: 29
Karma: 104
Groo3 is appreciated, and has over 100 Karma points.Groo3 is appreciated, and has over 100 Karma points.
Send a message via AIM to Groo3
Default

I don't have much experience with DOE, but we recently had to set up a Design of Experiments with one of our suppliers in order to satisfy a customer requirement. We were able to use Statgraphics to help set up a basic DOE on three variables. Regardless of whether you choose to go with this software package or one of the many other DOE software packages out there, you will probably need a day or two of training on how to use the software.

If you are just looking to research sites which cover DOE, there are quite a few sites on the internet... A Google search on "Design of Experiments" resulted in 1,770,000 pages found... I searched through several of the initial sites and came across the following informational / reference pages which may help?

http://www.mathworks.co.uk/access/he...tats/doe.shtml

An article on DOE which references several DOE Software vendors:
http://www.aip.org/tip/INPHFA/vol-3/iss-3/p24.pdf

Unfortunately, when you conduct a Google search, it's hard to sort the list of DOE Software (or Excel Add-in) sites from the DOE Course offerings, seminars, basic DOE informational / reference sites, etc. An ASQ Search on the other hand, may provide you with the references you are looking for? Hope this helps you in your search?
__________________
~ ERL ~ :)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 23rd August 2003, 09:17 AM
Atul Khandekar's Avatar
Atul Khandekar Atul Khandekar is offline
Forum Administrator

Registration Date: Mar 2000
Location: Pune, India
Age: 47
 
Posts: 1,073
Thanks Given to Others: 83
Thanked 84 Times in 55 Posts
Karma Power: 90
Atul Khandekar has disabled his/her Karma.
Send a message via Skype™ to Atul Khandekar
Default

Good Links! Thanks.
__________________
You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it true. You may have to work for it, however. ~Richard Bach
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10th October 2003, 11:40 AM
ben sortin ben sortin is offline
Involved in Discussions

Registration Date: Oct 2003
Location: ohio
 
Posts: 59
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Karma Power: 28
Karma: 110
ben sortin is appreciated, and has over 100 Karma points.ben sortin is appreciated, and has over 100 Karma points.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrews

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE DIRECT ME TO A WEBSITE THAT COVERS DESIGN OF EXPERIMENTS.
HOW MANY OF YOU USE THIS TO QUALIFY SPECIAL PROCESSES.
WHAT APPROACH DO YOU ADOPT TO QUALIFY SPECIAL PROCESSES
Read "Statistics for Experimenters" by Box, Hunter, and Hunter. The publisher is John Wiley & Sons. Only the best web sites (designed to take your money) would quote from this stellar reference. Did I mention that "cover to cover" is the only way?

Confounded with all main effects clear,

Ben Sortin
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10th October 2003, 11:44 AM
Atul Khandekar's Avatar
Atul Khandekar Atul Khandekar is offline
Forum Administrator

Registration Date: Mar 2000
Location: Pune, India
Age: 47
 
Posts: 1,073
Thanks Given to Others: 83
Thanked 84 Times in 55 Posts
Karma Power: 90
Atul Khandekar has disabled his/her Karma.
Send a message via Skype™ to Atul Khandekar
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ben sortin

Read "Statistics for Experimenters" by Box, Hunter, and Hunter. The publisher is John Wiley & Sons.
Excellent reference, Ben (wonder why I didn't think of it before! ) and welcome to the Cove..
__________________
You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it true. You may have to work for it, however. ~Richard Bach
Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation Bar
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > Common Quality Assurance Processes and Tools > Design and Development - Process and Product

Bookmarks


Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors and 1 Unregistered Guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Forum Search
Display Modes Rate Thread Content
Rate Thread Content:

Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Discussion Threads
Discussion Thread Title Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post or Poll Vote
What if DOE (Design of Experiments) is not possible? pagnonig Six Sigma 16 29th September 2007 04:17 PM
Shainin and DOE (Design of Experiments) Information Chua Kwan Teng Misc. Quality Assurance and Business Systems Related Topics 2 6th August 2006 07:30 PM
DOE - Design of Experiments? What does that mean? amanbhai Quality Tools, Improvement and Analysis 5 16th May 2006 10:37 AM
Design of Experiments - Details of Shainin technique and a training source - India senthil Quality Tools, Improvement and Analysis 5 15th May 2006 07:45 AM
Seeking Help: Design of Experiments - DOE carvind SPC Monitoring and Statistical Analysis Techniques 4 15th July 2002 12:31 PM



The time now is 04:08 PM. All times are GMT -4.
The time zone can be changed in your UserCP --> Options.



   

All Y'All Come Back Now, Y' Hear?

Made With A Mac! FreeBSD OS Powered by Apache!
Using php4 Forums provided and maintained by Marc Smith Database by MySQL

FAIR USE and CORRECTNESS NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe herein constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. In addition, I do not guarantee the correctness of the content. The risk of using content from the Elsmar Cove web site and forums remains with the user/visitor.

Responsibility Statement: Each person is responsible for anything they post in the Elsmar Cove forum. Neither I, Marc Timothy Smith, nor any of the forum Moderators, are responsible for the content of posts people make. Liability for post content resides with the poster as does interpretation and/or acceptance and/or use of advice by the reader.

Complaints: If you have a complaint with a post in a forum discussion thread, including Content in general, fighting, flaming, copyright infringement, defamation and/or 'slander', please use the 'Report This Post Report This Post Button button which appears at the top of every post in every thread.

Site courtesy of:
Marc Timothy Smith - Cayman Business Systems, 8466 Lesourdsville-West Chester Road, West Chester, Ohio 45069-1929 - USA
(513) 341-6272

To contact me, click the Google Voice link below, enter Your Name and Your Phone Number and Google will ring your phone and connect you for free!

The Elsmar Cove Web Site is *CopyFree*
no new posts