In Reply to Parent Post by TPM Slave
Ive recently been on an SMMT Indusrty Forum TS16949 Seminar, During an explaination of the auditing process, It was said that if you audit the system while auditing the process, there is no need to schedule for both, just schedule for processes. Im not sure whether to start doing this as we have TS assesment in June.
Please can I have your suggestions on this matter?
He is right,
Let me give you my view:
When you perform a process audit whether it is a manufacturing process or an administrative process such as purchasing you audit the manner in which the inputs were turned into the outputs.
To do this you audit according to the legs of the turtle:
You in fact audit the system through the process. Just as document and record control are not audited separetly but in the context that the auditor is then the resource management or management commitment is audited where you are and the same with all other aspects, it is just a matter of connecting the clauses and showing that you have covered them all.
You need better trainaing as there are no specific questions based on the actual activity but you could add some if you wanted.
You have the Cop's covered because they are the processes that you audit, the SOP's and MOP's are the legs of the turtle.
Attached list of questions and links to the process that I have from somewhere, I forget now so no acknowledgment.
The confusion is I think the addition of clause 188.8.131.52 which only says that if you have say 4 manufacturing processes then you must audit them all. This has no connection at all or any requirement as to the manner of the audit, it is not a requirement for an audit in a process manner. In the past it was possible to audit the system for say process control/ inspection etc whilst only auditing one manufacturing department. Now you cannot.
Does this clear it up?