The Elsmar Cove Forum and Site Map The Elsmar Cove Wiki More Free Files The Elsmar Cove Forums Discussion Thread Index Post Attachments Listing Failure Modes Services and Solutions to Problems Elsmar cove Forums Main Page Elsmar Cove Home Page

Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > ISO (International Organization for Standardization) Standards > Other ISO and International Standards and European Regulations


The Elsmar Cove Forum SideBar!
Monitor the Forum
Monitor New Forum Posts
New Threads Feeds
RSS FeedRSS Feed
Sponsor Link










$ Contributor Forum Access
Courtesy Quick Links

Links that Elsmar Cove visitors will find useful in your quest for knowledge:


Howard's International Quality Services

Atul's Symphony Technologies

Dave Scott's Scott Quality Solutions

Praxiom Research Group


NIST's Engineering Statistics Handbook

IRCA - International Register of Certified Auditors

SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers

Quality Digest Portal

IEST - Institute of Environmental Sciences and Technology

ASQ - American Society for Quality


All the Important Standards and Related Web Sites in the World
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Content Display Modes
  #1  
Old 31st March 2003, 01:55 PM
Lorenzo Lorenzo is offline
Shy Poster (1 to 5 Posts)

Registration Date: Oct 2002
Location: WV
 
Posts: 1
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Karma Power: 29
Karma: 10
Lorenzo has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Question ISO 10007 - Configuration Management Requirements

Looking for quick help in understanding "Configuration Management", what in general is required. We are being required as a supplier to have an AS 9100 compliant system, at this time. I am ordering the ISO 10007 for future reference, but don't yet have.
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 31st March 2003, 04:40 PM
BadgerMan's Avatar
BadgerMan BadgerMan is offline
Moderator

Registration Date: Feb 2001
Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan
Age: 48
 
Posts: 483
Thanks Given to Others: 36
Thanked 73 Times in 64 Posts
Karma Power: 64
Karma: 979
BadgerMan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.BadgerMan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.BadgerMan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.BadgerMan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.BadgerMan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.BadgerMan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.BadgerMan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.BadgerMan is appreciated, and has over 900 Karma points.
Default

The requirement states that the config mgmt system must be "appropriate to the product" which seems to be somewhat open to interpretation by the auditor. Our system is quite complex as are our products. We also develop software for airborne systems so the config mgmt of that process is done in accordance with RTCA DO-178B. We use some fairly elaborate software tools to manage configuration during the software development/lifecycle because the task is so complex. We have never had a registrar/auditor write an observation against our system so I must conclude that it is somewhere in the adequacy ballpark relative to our products.

I don't have much knowledge of other systems and have not read 10007 so maybe somebody who is more "worldly" can enlighten us.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

  #3  
Old 2nd April 2003, 06:47 PM
ARUMPLE ARUMPLE is offline
E-Mails Invalid or Rejected

Registration Date: Sep 2001
Location: Huntington, IN.
Age: 45
 
Posts: 13
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Karma Power: 0
Karma: 10
ARUMPLE has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Default

Reference - 4.3 Config. management.
When you receive the guide ISO 10007, you will find the "key elements", to document within your QMS manual. I don't remember exactly how many, but you should see them in several areas.

Best regards
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 8th January 2004, 02:14 PM
Raptorwild's Avatar
Raptorwild Raptorwild is offline
$ Contributor

Registration Date: Nov 2002
Location: Arizona
Age: 45
 
Posts: 128
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts
Karma Power: 37
Karma: 317
Raptorwild is appreciated, and has over 300 Karma points.Raptorwild is appreciated, and has over 300 Karma points.Raptorwild is appreciated, and has over 300 Karma points.Raptorwild is appreciated, and has over 300 Karma points.
Send a message via Yahoo to Raptorwild
Question Re: Configuration Management

Hello All!

Would anyone out there like to share how they meet the requirement for clause 4.3 Configuration Management?

I ask this because our QM has a section stating the following below, and would like some feedback on wether you all feel it is adequate.

4.3 Configuration Management
Maricopa Controls Inc. has established, documented and maintains a Configuration Management process to ensure that our products continue to function safely and reliably when individual components are changed.
This is achieved through the use of a Product Matrix, located on the Server and in the Blue Books listed by Part Number.

We have no seperate process for CM at this time, our CM is broken down by part number.

Thanks Paula
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 29th January 2004, 03:19 PM
QualityPhD's Avatar
QualityPhD QualityPhD is offline
Involved - Posts

Registration Date: Jan 2004
Location: University Heights, Ohio
 
Posts: 132
Thanks Given to Others: 5
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Karma Power: 36
Karma: 548
QualityPhD is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.QualityPhD is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.QualityPhD is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.QualityPhD is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.QualityPhD is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.QualityPhD is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.
Send a message via Yahoo to QualityPhD
Default CM and 10007

When looking at configuration management the standard defines configuration as the functional and physical characterisitcs of a product as defined in technical documents and is achieved on the product.

Looking at the configuration of the product first identify the configuration item, whether it is a part or an assembly. From that point, usually an engineering drawing, look to how the organization documents and justifies changes to the product, evaluates the risk of the change, shows evidence that the change of the configuration has been approved (usu. and ECN) and that the change has been implemented (changed production orders) or a process deviation or waiver has been received.

Structure of CM is normally acheived in the project design phase and includes all the functional or performance characteristics of the product that are to be maintained throughout the life cycle of the product.

Configuration identification should include such things as a listing of the technical specifications used, the numbering system that will identify the specification, drawing or any changes, how serial numbers or other traceability will be addresses and the proper procedure or tech. specs required for release of the product.

Hope this is of some assistance to you.

Ann Morgan
Reply With Quote
Thank You to QualityPhD for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
  #6  
Old 29th January 2004, 06:02 PM
Raptorwild's Avatar
Raptorwild Raptorwild is offline
$ Contributor

Registration Date: Nov 2002
Location: Arizona
Age: 45
 
Posts: 128
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts
Karma Power: 37
Karma: 317
Raptorwild is appreciated, and has over 300 Karma points.Raptorwild is appreciated, and has over 300 Karma points.Raptorwild is appreciated, and has over 300 Karma points.Raptorwild is appreciated, and has over 300 Karma points.
Send a message via Yahoo to Raptorwild
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by QualityPhD

When looking at configuration management the standard defines configuration as the functional and physical characterisitcs of a product as defined in technical documents and is achieved on the product.

Looking at the configuration of the product first identify the configuration item, whether it is a part or an assembly. From that point, usually an engineering drawing, look to how the organization documents and justifies changes to the product, evaluates the risk of the change, shows evidence that the change of the configuration has been approved (usu. and ECN) and that the change has been implemented (changed production orders) or a process deviation or waiver has been received.

Structure of CM is normally acheived in the project design phase and includes all the functional or performance characteristics of the product that are to be maintained throughout the life cycle of the product.

Configuration identification should include such things as a listing of the technical specifications used, the numbering system that will identify the specification, drawing or any changes, how serial numbers or other traceability will be addresses and the proper procedure or tech. specs required for release of the product.

Hope this is of some assistance to you.

Ann Morgan
Ann,
This is right on with what I was thinking and is verifiable during an audit and also during everyday operations. Great Response! Paula
Reply With Quote
Thanks to Raptorwild for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
  #7  
Old 30th January 2004, 08:38 AM
Cari Spears's Avatar
Cari Spears Cari Spears is offline
Super Moderator

Registration Date: May 2003
Location: Clinton Township, MI USA
Age: 41
 
Posts: 1,600
Thanks Given to Others: 389
Thanked 134 Times in 80 Posts
Karma Power: 128
Karma: 3499
Cari Spears is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Cari Spears is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Cari Spears is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Cari Spears is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Cari Spears is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Cari Spears is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raptorwild

...Would anyone out there like to share how they meet the requirement for clause 4.3 Configuration Management?...
This is something I've been wondering about for us. We manufacture products in accordance with someone else's configuration management plan - we're not design responsible. So I think our procedures need to address cmp's as they pertain to us - like change control/contract review and document control, etc. In the same manner that we control and use technical orders and repair manuals given to us by some of our customers (customer specific requirements).

I'm also not sure about configuration audits - who does them? The design responsible function who created the CMP? Or is it our final product inspection? 10007 says "A CA may be required for the formal acceptance of a configuration item."

What do you guys think?
__________________
First thing each morning, I try on my bathing suit. Then, nothing worse can happen the rest of the day.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 1st February 2004, 01:29 PM
Marc's Avatar
Marc Marc is online now
Your Elsmar Cove Host

Registration Date: Jan 1996
Location: West Chester, Ohio - USA
Age: 59
 
Posts: 15,852
Thanks Given to Others: 1,892
Thanked 1,563 Times in 1,016 Posts
Blog Entries: 4
Karma Power: 604
Karma: 11544
Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Send a message via AIM to Marc Send a message via Skype™ to Marc
Default

I got this in my personal e-mail so I guess someone pushed the wrong button:

The organization shall establish, document and maintain a configuration "management process", "appropriate to the product":.
****
Sounds a little confusing, almost describes why we need a change process.

I do not see the whole, so its inadequate. looking for something in other processes. What's the QMS scope, and its exclusions, if any?

Phillip
__________________
A Search is a terrible thing to waste!
One Test is Worth 1000 Expert Opinions - The plural of anecdote is not data.
We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. - Unknown
Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation Bar
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > ISO (International Organization for Standardization) Standards > Other ISO and International Standards and European Regulations

Bookmarks

Tags
configuration management, iso 10007


Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors and 1 Unregistered Guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Forum Search
Display Modes Rate Thread Content
Rate Thread Content:

Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Discussion Threads
Discussion Thread Title Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post or Poll Vote
Configuration Management - ISO 9001 - 7.6 Monitoring and Measuring Equipment Jim Green ISO 9001 - Quality Management Systems Standard 5 18th March 2009 10:45 AM
Compliance with AS9100 Configuration Management Requirements chandrasekar2000 AS9100 Aerospace Standard and Requirements 2 30th December 2008 10:01 AM
Configuration Management, Need to review ISO 10007, anybody have one? Lorenzo36 AS9100 Aerospace Standard and Requirements 1 24th March 2008 05:50 PM
ISO/IEC 20000-1 (IT Managed Services) Configuration Management Database? nomisd Other ISO and International Standards and European Regulations 1 12th September 2006 05:15 AM
ISO 10007 Standard for Configuration Management sasiengineer AS9100 Aerospace Standard and Requirements 3 3rd July 2006 07:20 AM



The time now is 03:38 PM. All times are GMT -4.
The time zone can be changed in your UserCP --> Options.



   

All Y'All Come Back Now, Y' Hear?

Made With A Mac! FreeBSD OS Powered by Apache!
Using php4 Forums provided and maintained by Marc Smith Database by MySQL

FAIR USE and CORRECTNESS NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe herein constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. In addition, I do not guarantee the correctness of the content. The risk of using content from the Elsmar Cove web site and forums remains with the user/visitor.

Responsibility Statement: Each person is responsible for anything they post in the Elsmar Cove forum. Neither I, Marc Timothy Smith, nor any of the forum Moderators, are responsible for the content of posts people make. Liability for post content resides with the poster as does interpretation and/or acceptance and/or use of advice by the reader.

Complaints: If you have a complaint with a post in a forum discussion thread, including Content in general, fighting, flaming, copyright infringement, defamation and/or 'slander', please use the 'Report This Post Report This Post Button button which appears at the top of every post in every thread.

Site courtesy of:
Marc Timothy Smith - Cayman Business Systems, 8466 Lesourdsville-West Chester Road, West Chester, Ohio 45069-1929 - USA
(513) 341-6272

To contact me, click the Google Voice link below, enter Your Name and Your Phone Number and Google will ring your phone and connect you for free!

The Elsmar Cove Web Site is *CopyFree*
no new posts