A VERY Small Company - Internal Audit

Claes Gefvenberg said:

Now there's a very valid point, Energy... Clearly something to consider.

/Claes

Does that mean that everything I posted otherwise was not? Oh no, I've been smitten. Remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Almost time to start the search for the the 2003 poster of the year. Well, at least think about it. I can hardly wait!

[Aaron Lupo]

CINDY said:

I NEVER COULD UNDERSTAND NOT WANTING OLDER INDIVIDUALS. WHAT A WEALTH OF WASTED RESOURCES. WHAT IS IT, PEOPLE THINK THAT YOU CANT TEACH OLD DOGS NEW TRICKS (I AM NOT CALLING ANYONE A DOG). I HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THIRTY YEARS AND HAVE LEARNED A GREAT DEAL FROM 50+ CO-WORKERS.

PLEASE NOTE THAT MY USING ALL CAPS DOES NOT MEAN I AM YELLING. IT IS JUST MY WAY. AN EASIER READ FOR MY EYES.

IF YOU WANT TO KEEP GETTING THE SAME OLD RESULTS, KEEP DOING THE SAME OLD THING.

DOUBLEAS YOU NEED TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR YOU.

Here is my take on the age subject. I am at the other end, I am much younger than my co-workers and they make sure I know that. They feel there is no way possible that I could know what they know, they have been working more years than I have been alive. I know for a fact that I know more than my older co-workers, they are good at what they do but that is all they want to do, why change they are comfortable with what they are doing. However, they have no problem putting there name on my work.

It is not just where I work either, I went on an interview recently and was told that my resume was a lie "there is no way you could have accomplished everything on your resume at your age", I let her know she was more than welcome to verifiy anything she wanted to, after which I kindly thanked her for her time and let her know that I would not be interested in work for them after that.

What I am trying to say I guess is that it is not the persons age it is their willingness to learn, are they motivated or do they just want a job to pay the bills and who cares after that. I for one will never stop learning.

"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance."

Iso Guy,

Understand all that. As a young man, I too, saw a lot of older workers resting on the laurels. I was the one given the time consuming tasks of updating and revising checklists, log books, etc.. But, it was good thing because in no time you became the one who is sought after for providing accurate answers and guidance. The thing is to maintain that pace. As one who will be celebrating his 60 th B day next week, I still have that drive. The problem is that nobody believes that. It is assumed that you're used up and it's a crock!

[Aaron Lupo]

energy said:

Iso Guy,

Understand all that. As a young man, I too, saw a lot of older workers resting on the laurels. I was the one given the time consuming tasks of updating and revising checklists, log books, etc.. But, it was good thing because in no time you became the one who is sought after for providing accurate answers and guidance. The thing is to maintain that pace. As one who will be celebrating his 60 th B day next week, I still have that drive. The problem is that nobody believes that. It is assumed that you're used up and it's a crock!

Energy-

I am not talking about updating checklists and things. I am am talking about developing/improving our system, writting articles, developing training etc.. things that I do that they put their names on. I know I will not be in my present job forever (I hope to be out soon in fact), it just gets me a little mad to watch other people take credit for your work. I am also a little tired of the "too young to know anything" attitude of a lot of people. Like I said before age has nothing to do with how much a person knows, while they may have had the oppurtunity to learn more than a person 25+ years their junior that does not mean they did. I am always trying to learn everyday, I want to know what I don't know.

"It's what you learn after you know it all that's important"

Samuel Clemens

One doesn't make a living doing checklists and logbooks. It was just an example of things that needed doing and that others thought you should do because of your tenure on this planet. Developing procedures and maintaining a QMS is standard somethings all Q Professional/Managers do. Having others take credit for your ideas and putting their names on it comes with the territory. Developing training programs and doing the training isn't that big a deal. Has nothing to do with age. Has to do with capabilities. Has even more to do with your responsibilties. If you feel unappreciated, welcome to the club. If you are waiting for accolades for doing the job you were hired to do, I'm afraid it going to be awhile. Some of the flak you're getting regarding your age may be due to your presentation as omnipotent. I believe I see some of that here. Us old people don't like that!

[Aaron Lupo]

energy said:

One doesn't make a living doing checklists and logbooks. It was just an example of things that needed doing and that others thought you should do because of your tenure on this planet. Developing procedures and maintaining a QMS is standard somethings all Q Professional/Managers do. Having others take credit for your ideas and putting their names on it comes with the territory. Developing training programs and doing the training isn't that big a deal. Has nothing to do with age. Has to do with capabilities. Has even more to do with your responsibilties. If you feel unappreciated, welcome to the club. If you are waiting for accolades for doing the job you were hired to do, I'm afraid it going to be awhile. Some of the flak you're getting regarding your age may be due to your presentation as omnipotent. I believe I see some of that here. Us old people don't like that!

Energy-

You sound so much like the people I work with. You really think I come across as omnipotent???

ISO GUY said:

Energy-

You sound so much like the people I work with. You really think I come across as omnipotent???

A.L.

You and I go back away so I know that you can take a little hit now and then. Omnipotent, no. That was my little jab. Eager to get recognized for your contributions to the cause? Yes. That's something we all go or went through. What I'm really trying to say is that it will come in due time. Is there a pecking order? For sure. You just can't let it get to you. Changing jobs will not make this any different. More money, perhaps, but there will still be senior people who will somehow manage to p1ss you off, if you let them. Remember, just as in the Cove, if they know that they can yank your bobber, they will. Just stay the course and if it makes them look good, so be it. You and they know who did what. If you travel outside of N.Y. and you are ever in CT, let me know. We'll kick back a few and talk about everybody here!

[Aaron Lupo]

Dude, I was almost ready to blow a gasket there for a minute. It has been one thing after another where I work. My immediate boss is the type of person that has no problem taking your work and putting his name on it, or taking an article that you wrote and submitting it and getting it published with his name on it. He is here simply becuase he is friends with the Plant Manager and has worked with him in the past. They are both a couple of DA's if you ask me but that is JMHO.

I am not looking for a pat on the back or a good job from anyone. I know what I am capable of and so do a few others where I work. What I don't like is being told I am stupid and then watching him take my work and put his name on it.

You are right there probably is a pecking order, should there be I didn't think I worked in a Union Shop. I guess gone are the days of getting where you are on what you know, now it is you get where you are by who you know, no matter how little you know.

I know things are the same just about everywhere you go but I know there are places out there that are different. If things work out for me I will be out of here by the end of the year, I know that sounds like a long time (trust me it feels longer), but the time will pass fast and I will be happier not to mention making almost 3X as much. This place wants me for what I know and what they have seen me do in the past, now they just need to have the position ok'd for the budget. Not a sure thing and I will keep searching but I do hope to be out by the end of the year no matter what.

If I do get a chance to make it to CT I will let you know!