A VERY Small Company - Internal Audit

[M Greenaway]

From one young smart guy to another, hang in there and dont mind what energy says, he is at the other end of the spectrum.

My advice is rip of the ideas of others and publish them as your own. Sh!t, people round here think I invented IDEF0 process mapping

M Greenaway said:

From one young smart guy to another, hang in there and dont mind what energy says, he is at the other end of the spectrum.

Martin,

Yup...The other end of the spectrum, but I never stood in the way of somebody who demonstrated their desire to advance, ever. As someone who has recently changed places of employment and relatively junior in years, you have a lot more in common with ISO GUY than I do. I'm sure you feel his pain. As for "don't mind what energy says", your just twitching that bobber and I know better. My advice is sound and time tested. You'll see, in due time. Don't blink because it's there before you know it!

[M Greenaway]

Just a little twitch

[Freddiem11]

In an effort to address the original thread, where are the ISO COPS? Judging by some of the posts, there appears to be major issues in the area of 3rd party auditing and exactly who gets certified to ISO 9001. I have recently attended lead auditor training, and now realize that any org's system compliance to 9k2k is a function of the registrars willingness to overlook nonconformances and perform surface audits. Registrar accreditation is suspect. ISO better get a handle on this. You got companies listed as ISO 9001 compliant with expired certs, registrars on the take (as per Mike S.), and companies that clearly brush everything under the rug, but will probably get 9k2k certified somehow. Did they lower the bar or what! No offense doubleas.

Fred

"If it's broke, fix it!"

[Randy]

Freddiem11 said:

I have recently attended lead auditor training, and now realize that any org's system compliance to 9k2k is a function of the registrars willingness to overlook nonconformances and perform surface audits. Registrar accreditation is suspect. ISO better get a handle on this.

Wowee!!! You took a Lead Auditors course!!! Well woopdeedo! And now you're an expert. Did you pass the test?

Apparently you missed the part that covers NAP's because the ISO hasn't really got much to do with certificates of registration (Remember, the ISO doesn't certify squat? Or were you asleep during that part?)

BTW, Welcome to the Cove


The Registrars aren't the ones overlooking the N/C's, that's being done by that auditors they're using (many of whom aren't credentialed BTW).

Freddiem11 said:

In an effort to address the original thread, where are the ISO COPS? Judging by some of the posts, there appears to be major issues in the area of 3rd party auditing and exactly who gets certified to ISO 9001. I have recently attended lead auditor training, and now realize that any org's system compliance to 9k2k is a function of the registrars willingness to overlook nonconformances and perform surface audits. Registrar accreditation is suspect. ISO better get a handle on this. You got companies listed as ISO 9001 compliant with expired certs, registrars on the take (as per Mike S.), and companies that clearly brush everything under the rug, but will probably get 9k2k certified somehow. Did they lower the bar or what! No offense doubleas.

Fred

"If it's broke, fix it!"

Freddie,

This isn't new. Visit the Registrar Thread. Do a search Charlatans
and you will see many discussions regarding ISO and the Registrars along with some horror stories.. I also agree that this thread wandered a bit. doubles' problems with company owner aside, there was discussion regarding his/her possible change of employment which opened up another avenue of discussion. One that everyone is interested in. You'll see that a lot here. Your efforts to get the thread back on track are appreciated and understood. Now, do that search!

[CINDY]

Hope everyone had a great Easter!

Back to the age thing.....

Too old and too young are both bad placed to be. I have been at the too young (and small) to be taken seriously and approaching the too old thing. I continue to learn, develop, and change with the times; it is the only way to go for me.

Both sides are not the best. People get intimidated easily from a younger person who has what they wish they had and at the same time feel the older person cannot offer anything new. As far as taking credit, who cares. It all comes out in the end.

[db]

As far as taking credit, who cares.

My take is I try to make sure I don't get the credit! I willing and openly give it to someone else. Everyone knows this, so I actually get credit for the good things that I don't do.

I also take the blame for anything that goes wrong. Everyone knows this too. That way when I do screw up, folks just think I'm taking heat for everyone else.

No matter what happens, I'm the hero!