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DMM Ratio Specifications - Uncertainty for the Ratio function of a digital multimeter
I hope someone can help improve my understanding ... I have a need to figure uncertainty for the Ratio function of a digital multimeter. I have been doing this for other measurement parameters for years, but have never needed to do it for ratio before ... it's been one of those specifications that gets sort of glanced over with a muttered "someday I'll get to that". Well, "someday" is here.
The measurement is a DC Volt ratio. The DMM manual says the ratio is (Input / Reference). OK so far.
The Accuracy specification is +/-(Input error + Reference error).
- Input error is the "total error for the input signal measurement function" - DC V in this case, and let's assume an unknown voltage very close to 100 mV. For the DMM I am using (HP 3458A option 2) this works out to about 1.58 microvolts. OK so far.
- Reference error is "1.5 x total error for the range of the reference DC input" - and let's say that the reference is 100.0 mV DC. This works out to 2.37 microvolts. OK so far.
- Adding the two together gives a sum of 3.95 micro-somethings.
- Let's assume that applying the voltages correctly results in a ratio display of +0.999874 which means that the unknown voltage is 99.9874 mV.
Here's the question:
The accuracy specification for the RATIO function says to ADD these two microvolt values. - Does the resulting number remain as microvolts? (Logically it should.) If so, then exactly how does it get applied as an uncertainty to the RATIO?
- Or, is the resulting number somehow magically transmuted into a ratio that applies in a plus/minus fashion to the ratio displayed on the DMM? If so, then what is the explanation and proof?
- In either case, what is the uncertainty of (a) the ratio, and (b) the unknown voltage?
(Or, is it something else entirely and am I so far out that it will take the rest of the millenium for Voyager to get to me?)
I would appreciate any reasonable-sounding instruction on this topic because I am sure I'm not the only one who has been avioding this for as long as possible ... Thanks.
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I could understand the specs if they dealt with a relative error, like ppm or percent error, rather than absolute error. For example, if the reference voltage was accurate to +/- 10 ppm and the input voltage was good to +/- 6 ppm, then the ratio of the two should be good to +/- 16 ppm. That one I could give a quick proof for.
(By extension, if you can prove that adding does work for the relative error, then it is a pretty good bet that it doesn't work for absolute error.)
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Hi Graeme,
I don't claim any profound knowledge of the instrumentation involved, but I can suggest a way to calculate the uncertainty of a ratio or quotient.
From calculus, if f(x)=u(x)/v(x), then delta f=f ' (x)*delta x, where f ' the derivative of the quotient, or (vu'-uv')/v**2,
In your problem, v=ref=100mv, u=input =(for all practical purposes 100mv),
u'~1.58uv/100mv, v'~2.37uv/100mv, so the value of the derivative is 0.79 x
10(-6) [dimensionless]. I take it that the delta x should be the sum of the input error and the reference error voltage, or (1.58uV+2.37uV) or 3.95uV.
The total uncertainty would be ridiculously small, about 3.2 x 10 (-12).
I'm not sure if the result is reasonable, or if this mathematical model is the appropriate for the physical phenomena being modeled. I just wanted to offer the idea to possibly stimulate others.
Good luck
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OK, here are two other proofs, followed by some specific results.
1) For the hardcore calculus folks:
Let u = input, v= reference, f = ratio = u/v
The "differential" of f is
df = ( df/ du) du + ( df/ dv) dv
= 1/v du - u/v^2 dv
(where the italic d represents the partial deriviative
If we divide both sides by f = u/v, we get
df/f = du/u - dv/v
Since we are looking for the "worst case" combination in the preceding equation, we should take the absolute values for the two terms, or
df/f = du/u + dv/v
2) The laid-back algebraic approach:
I'll do this for multiplication because it saves a couple of steps, but the result is the same for division. (You could call v = 1/reference voltage if you like).
f = uv is the best estimate for the product of the two term.
F = (u +du)(v +dv) is the worst it could be.
= uv + udv + vdu + dudv
We can drop the final term (du dv) because both of these numbers are much smaller than u or v, so their product will be much, much smaller than either uv, udv or vdu.
The uncertainty is df = F-f = uv + udv + vdu - uv = udv + vdu
The relative uncertainty will be (exactly as before, I might add)
df/f = udv/uv + vdu/uv = dv/v + du/u
Interpretation
du/u = 1.58uV / 100mV = 0.0000158 = 0.00158% = 15.8 ppm is the relative uncertainty in the input
dv/v = 2.37uV / 100mV = 0.0000237 = 0.00237% = 23.7 ppm is the relative uncertainty in the reference.
df/f = 15.8 ppm + 23.7 ppm ~ 40 ppm is the relative uncertainty in the reading
If your meter reads f = +0.999874, then the absolute uncertainty is +0.999874*(0.000040) = 0.000040
Tim F
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Nice job Tim!
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Thank you all
Jerry and Tim --
Thank you both for your explanations!
I will spend some time first converting everything to standard notation (it's too bad that a text-based system like this can't support an equation editor ... ) and then studying and applying it, and writing down the results so I can explain it to someone else -- the best way to learn something.
Thanks again!
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Originally Posted by Graeme
I hope someone can help improve my understanding ... I have a need to figure uncertainty for the Ratio function of a digital multimeter. I have been doing this for other measurement parameters for years, but have never needed to do it for ratio before ... it's been one of those specifications that gets sort of glanced over with a muttered "someday I'll get to that". Well, "someday" is here.
The measurement is a DC Volt ratio. The DMM manual says the ratio is (Input / Reference). OK so far.
The Accuracy specification is +/-(Input error + Reference error).
- Input error is the "total error for the input signal measurement function" - DC V in this case, and let's assume an unknown voltage very close to 100 mV. For the DMM I am using (HP 3458A option 2) this works out to about 1.58 microvolts. OK so far.
- Reference error is "1.5 x total error for the range of the reference DC input" - and let's say that the reference is 100.0 mV DC. This works out to 2.37 microvolts. OK so far.
- Adding the two together gives a sum of 3.95 micro-somethings.
- Let's assume that applying the voltages correctly results in a ratio display of +0.999874 which means that the unknown voltage is 99.9874 mV.
Here's the question:
The accuracy specification for the RATIO function says to ADD these two microvolt values. - Does the resulting number remain as microvolts? (Logically it should.) If so, then exactly how does it get applied as an uncertainty to the RATIO?
- Or, is the resulting number somehow magically transmuted into a ratio that applies in a plus/minus fashion to the ratio displayed on the DMM? If so, then what is the explanation and proof?
- In either case, what is the uncertainty of (a) the ratio, and (b) the unknown voltage?
(Or, is it something else entirely and am I so far out that it will take the rest of the millenium for Voyager to get to me?)
I would appreciate any reasonable-sounding instruction on this topic because I am sure I'm not the only one who has been avioding this for as long as possible ... Thanks.
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Whoa! I just looked it up, and if you are using 100mV input, and 100mV reference, then it gets much simpler! You were using the uncertainty of cross-ranged inputs (like your input is 100mV, but you are using a 10V reference cell, so your front panel is using the 100mV range, and your rear panel is using the 10V range).
Basically, you are on the 100mV range on both the front and rear panels, which means you are doing a "Transfer Accuracy" measurement. Your uncertainty becomes: 0.5 ppm of reading + 0.5 ppm of range. Therefore, since you are applying a basically full scale reading, your uncertainty due to the 3458A Opt 2 is 1 ppm. Easy math, my personal favorite!
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Originally Posted by Ryan Wilde
Basically, you are on the 100mV range on both the front and rear panels, which means you are doing a "Transfer Accuracy" measurement. Your uncertainty becomes: 0.5 ppm of reading + 0.5 ppm of range. Therefore, since you are applying a basically full scale reading, your uncertainty due to the 3458A Opt 2 is 1 ppm. Easy math, my personal favorite!
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Ryan,
Thanks!  I will keep that in mind when everything is on the same range, and even try to make it so whenever possible. After all, I like easy math as well. I must have had a brain malfunction and overlooked the transfer stuff.
But from what you said I assume that if the two are on DIFFERENT ranges then I am likely to have to analyze things as suggested by Tim and Jerry. (As an example, the reference might be 9.999987 V and the unknown might be something very close to 1.018123 V. Then I would have to worry about the 10 V range and the 1 V range and break out the TI-68 for some heavy math ...) Is that correct?
Graeme
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