TS 16949 Registered Supplier Auditor Training

[Jaco]

Hey all,
Does anyone here know about this training? I wanna attend to this training course that Plexus provided, but I would like to know the pass rate on it, becaused the tuition is so expensive for me to........ Any advice or information to help me pass it without another re-test?

Thanks for any help I could get!

Jaco

[SilverHawk]

Jaco, Why do you need to take this Supplier Auditor training course? Ask yourself, first. It is important for you to have it! Are you a consultant or involved in the supplier auditing? Are you paying for it or your company?

The passing mark for 3rd. party auditor is 80% and while the supplier auditor is 70%. You may learn very little from this training. This is just a training course to "qualify" or assess your potential to be a supplier auditor. But you are not going to "learn" much from it. The trainer is not going to "teach" you anything on TS requirements, turtle analysis or the core tools. The trainers expected you to them before attending this course.

Do not waste your money if you are in for the sake of it. BUT if your company is going to pay for it, by all means, grab it!

[Jaco]

Thanks SilverHawk,
At least I’ve gotten one hit from the cove!

Originally Posted by SilverHawk

Jaco, Why do you need to take this Supplier Auditor training course? Ask yourself, first. It is important for you to have it! Are you a consultant or involved in the supplier auditing

Your question leads me to look my mind inside. I am not a consultant, so it is not important for me to have the certificate. Now I am working for a medial size company as a junior quality supervisor, so what’s the most important thing in the development of my career?
Enter into a big company like BMW? Get a job with an incredible salary? Or higher position? If a FMEA will work?
So I would like to what is the most important thing as your point of view (if someone in the cove like to share)? And what will make it happen?
My friend often regards me as a bookish man, because I almost spent all of my leisured time to study in quality. And I take a lot of training courses to update my professional skill in quality, some of them paid by myself others paid my company. I am also a motor fan, and like to work for auto company. I have worked for a small company in auto industrial for years, and left that company as too low salary. The original purpose for me to take that training course is to expand my professional knowledge in ts(pay by myself), 3rd. party auditor is too expensive for me to afford.

Originally Posted by SilverHawk

The passing mark for 3rd. party auditor is 80% and while the supplier auditor is 70%.

You mean the fail rate is 70%?

Originally Posted by SilverHawk

But you are not going to "learn" much from it.

Any suggestion on training course that I could learn some thing?

Thanks again, SilverHawk

[Bigfoot]

Originally Posted by Jaco

Thanks SilverHawk,
At least I’ve gotten one hit from the cove!

Your question leads me to look my mind inside. I am not a consultant, so it is not important for me to have the certificate. Now I am working for a medial size company as a junior quality supervisor, so what’s the most important thing in the development of my career?
Enter into a big company like BMW? Get a job with an incredible salary? Or higher position? If a FMEA will work?
So I would like to what is the most important thing as your point of view (if someone in the cove like to share)? And what will make it happen?
My friend often regards me as a bookish man, because I almost spent all of my leisured time to study in quality. And I take a lot of training courses to update my professional skill in quality, some of them paid by myself others paid my company. I am also a motor fan, and like to work for auto company. I have worked for a small company in auto industrial for years, and left that company as too low salary. The original purpose for me to take that training course is to expand my professional knowledge in ts(pay by myself), 3rd. party auditor is too expensive for me to afford.


You mean the fail rate is 70%?

Any suggestion on training course that I could learn some thing?

Thanks again, SilverHawk

Jaco,

I went through the AIAG / Plexus ISO 9001:2000 with TS 16949:2002 Supplier Auditor Certification the last week in January. For the most part SilverHawk is giving you some very good advice. This course is very difficult for those who have not had much exposure to auditing and additionally you need to be pretty well versed in the application of the AIAG Core Tools (SPC, APQP, MSA, FMEA, & PPAP). They do nothing to cover these in class but there will be questions from these on the final exam.

The pass rate for the course is not reported by AIAG or Plexus or RAB for that matter. The group I was in had a pass rate of about 50%. The tests are graded by the primary instructor and the scoring criteria is subjective at best. Although I did pass the course I felt that it was not worth the amount that the company I work for paid for it.

I have conversed with a couple of the Plexus trainers regarding the 3rd party auditor course, and have been told it is geared pretty much the same as the one I took. The final test for the 3rd party auditor's is a 4 hour 100 question exam with an oral examination of the candidate thrown in for good measure.

IMHO you can spend your money in a lot better ways than going through this course.

[bpritts]

Jaco --

I have not attended this Plexus course but have heard second hand reports
that confirm the input from Silverhawk and Bigfoot. I have attended the
1994/5 QS9000 training from Plexus and completed US RAB ISO 9000 lead
auditor for 9001:1994 and 9001:2000.
As a consultant these are valuable credentials for selling my capabilities.
If you are working as a quality professional inside a company it is probably
more beneficial to train on quality improvement techniques or project
management; nearly every quality professional can benefit from these and
so will your company. So, for example, consider SPC, designed experiments,
problem-solving... these topics will pay off more quickly. My opinion.

Best of luck, Brad

[Jaco]

Originally Posted by Bigfoot

This course is very difficult for those who have not had much exposure to auditing and additionally you need to be pretty well versed in the application of the AIAG Core Tools (SPC, APQP, MSA, FMEA, & PPAP). They do nothing to cover these in class but there will be questions from these on the final exam.

Thanks bigfoot,
In fact, I think I know the AIAG Core Tool you mentioned a little bit.Because in my previous job, I have been appointed as a leader to establish the QS9000 system, and get a certifacte for the company. But I would like to say it is far away from what I should&need to learn.

Originally Posted by bpritts

I have attended the
1994/5 QS9000 training from Plexus and completed US RAB ISO 9000 lead
auditor for 9001:1994 and 9001:2000.

Hi bpritts,
welcome to the cove, I have also completed the ISO 9000 lead auditor for 9001:2000(Lloyd's). BTW, I found there is post from you inquiring the turtle chart, there are lots threads discussing that topic, you can search in the cove.

Originally Posted by bpritts

If you are working as a quality professional inside a company it is probably
more beneficial to train on quality improvement techniques or project
management; nearly every quality professional can benefit from these and
so will your company.

I attended the training course for six sigma green belt, currently I even have a chance to take a traing course of BB. I hope it will help me to improve my statistic knowledge, just like DOE ANOVA etc.

Again, thanks for sharing your suggestion with me.

[Jaco]

Originally Posted by Jaco

Hi bpritts,
BTW, I found there is post from you inquiring the turtle chart, there are lots threads discussing that topic, you can search in the cove.:

My sorry for mistake I made, the original poster is Carl Pease