CAUTION: Companies and Recruiters Advertising Jobs are NOT Vetted!

[Marc]

While I am all for job postings, I cannot vet each company or recruiter. The posts in this forum are 'as is'. The moderators and I have, and will continue to, discuss and monitor activity in this forum but we cannot vouch for the accuracy or validity of posts or the honesty and integrity of companies and recruiters who post here.

If you are new to the process of 'finding a job', I highly recommend that you take the time to read up on the pros and cons and understand what you are getting into and who you are dealing with.

[Wes Bucey]

Originally Posted by Marc

While I am all for job postings, I cannot vet each company or recruiter. The posts in this forum are 'as is'. The moderators and I have, and will continue to, discuss and monitor activity in this forum but we cannot vouch for the accuracy or validity of posts or the honesty and integrity of companies and recruiters who post here.

If you are new to the process of 'finding a job', I highly recommend that you take the time to read up on the pros and cons and understand what you are getting into and who you are dealing with.

I'd like to add that, regardless of how desperate you are to get a new job, NEVER let yourself be conned into paying someone to do your work for you. I've hired a lot of people over my career and never even interviewed anyone suggested by a recruiter paid by the candidate because I thought,
"If this guy is such a fool to PAY someone to look for a job for him, why would I want to hire such a fool?"

I consider my attitude to be pretty typical of the kind of employer you would want to work for. The employer who scoops up those fools to save himself the recruiter/agency fee is really not the kind of cheapskate you'd want to work for anyhow. Gramps always said, "Any workman worthy of hire is worthy of pay." An employer unwilling to pay one fee ends up paying a higher cost in the long run.

An employer pays for a recruiter because the employer considers his time more valuable than the fee he pays a recruiter. Sometimes he pays for the anonymity of the job search because he wants to keep information about gaps in his work force from key customers and competitors.

Remember, the recruiter doesn't hire. You only get hired from the interview with the employer.

If you are in a job hunting mode, I suggest you at least look over the website (http://www.jobhuntersbible.com/) of the guy who wrote "What Color Is Your Parachute" which has been revised annually since 1975. The website will help you understand the current dynamic of a tight job market where mid-range jobs below the executive suite seem to be disappearing daily.

[TopRecruiter]

Wow, Wes I couldn't have said it any better. I AM a recruiter and time to time I have candidates approach me offering a fee for me to devote more time to placing them in a nice job . I have never and will never accept such a fee... it's against our ethics and honestly, I will do just as much work for my candidates with NO fee... have been for quite some time now.

If a recruiter is charging a fee to candidates, stay away from them... it's the tip of an unethical iceberg. The only party in a search that needs to contribute a fee is as you stated the client. And, let me vent on why a company should use a recruiter... espcially one like us.

Simply put, my fee of 30% for placement is 100% justified. My existence in this market is to provide top talent to top companies. Companies often are put off by the fact that we charge 30%... however, when they hire a candidate for 10% and only get $1 million in sales as opposed to my 30% candidate who will generate $3 million in sales... it's easily justified. By not using our services, our network, and our top recruiters... you as the company are leaving millions on the table.

Now I understand, you can't justify by numbers in all cases... but what you can always justify by is work ethic, raw talent, and growth potential. Bottom line, stay away from recruiters charging 10%-20%... if you are willing to pay this low amount for a recruiter you are better off saving your cash and buying a membership to CareerBuilder.

The ONLY companies that should consider using recruiters are those willing to pay 30%... why? Because not only do firms at our level supply top talent, our talent is the product of raw recruitment... recruiting is not surfing the web... recruiting is sourcing similar companies in similar professions and finding an individual currently performing the vital functions... attract them to this opportunity and close the deal quickly.

You could say, well aren't there shady recruiters that do terrible work but still charge 30%? Unfortunately yes there are... but through simple conversation and knowledge of the industry, these phonies are rubbed out quickly...

Hope this sheds some light on something... thanks Wes, good points!

[angel]

Hello everyone,
I am a new permanent resident in the USA and I am trying to find a job in the QA field. I have lots of experience in Europe as a Test Engineer (not exactly, but almost QE), Quality Systems Auditor and Manager (ISO 9001:94 and ISO 17025). I was trained by A2LA and passed an exam for Laboratory Assessor on March 2004. My questions are the following:
1. Do you think that ASQ Certification will help me find a job and which Certificate - CQE, CQM or CQA will be most usefull?
2. Do you think that higher educational degree is a disadvantage in this field, as the companies require only B.Sc.
3. Do the companies hire specialists for QA positions strictly from the same branch?
Thank you.

[baubin]

it seems the similar situation in China, The recruiters charge no fees to the candidate, but they do charge a certain fees to the company. Generally it is one month's sarlary.

If possible, I also like to seek a part time job opportunity abroad on the sourcing or procurement activities. who would like to help me ?