Hit post too quick. Since PRI now has NACLA recognization for its 17025 accreditation program, one may infer their audit process would be thourough and complete for a NADCAP audit.
Last edited by Coury Ferguson; 13th October 2008 at 05:19 PM.
Hi
i just found this site a few weeks back and i think it is a great way to communicate. To answer your question regarding Nadcap, I have about 10 years experience with Nadcap. I am the Quality Director for a Nondestructive Company which services the aerospace industry so we had to get our Nadcap certification back in 1991. Currently I have 8 of my labs which are located all over the country and hold the Nadcap certification. Prior to becoming nadcap certified you have to have your quality system audited and certified through either and AS 9100 audit or PRI can audit your system using an SAE 7004 audit. If you are interested in more information regarding nadcap certification call David DuBois at PRI (724) 772-1616 ext. 8136 or e-mail him at dubois(at)sae.org. Tell Dave I told you to call him.....
Let me know how it turned out and if you have any questions you can contact me...
Last edited by Stijloor; 22nd October 2008 at 10:27 AM.
Larry - Welcome to the Cove and thanks for the great info and contact. I hope you will share some of your experience with us. The aerospace industry keeps popping up in automotive and I sometimes find it tough to get good information.
I have had several discussions with PRI about NADCAP registration for the Heat Treat Organization I work for. We currently have some aerospace customer that are telling us we have to get it by the end of this year because Boeing told them that. While our biggest Aerospace customer has said to this point they are not going to require it. I have an interesting article that I will attach about NADCAP.
Our sales that might be impacted by not getting NADCAP is about 1% - so the costs of registration and surveillance would not completely justify getting it. NOW if NADCAP automatically increased our sales then we would consider it, however everyone of our aerospace customers say that it would have no bearing on sales. Most of them as well would still want to come in and do a customer audit even with us getting NADCAP.
While NADCAP might not make sense for us; I in no way think negatively about it or speak negatively of it. It is what it is.
Food for thought.
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Well We finially bit the bullet and got NADCAP registered in one of our facilities last January. It was a heck of a process and good experience...(I was forced to say that by my boss)...we did it in about 3 months which is kind of unheard of - but with our TS and CQI-9 systems we really didn't have to shore up to much to satisfy NADCAP. They are a bit old school with some things but it's all workable.
Actually it's helped us shore up our TS side a bit too; because I like to make the changes company-wide so they have far more reaching impact than just the one facility. With the advent of CQI-9 we are moving in the direction of controls like NADCAP anyway....nothing like the automotive world catching on after a bizillion years....
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Tom W
Semper FI!
"We're surrounded... that simplifies our problem." Chesty Puller
"For those who fight for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know." --written on a C-ration box found after the siege of Khe Sanh 1968
Well We finially bit the bullet and got NADCAP registered in one of our facilities last January. It was a heck of a process and good experience...(I was forced to say that by my boss)...we did it in about 3 months which is kind of unheard of - but with our TS and CQI-9 systems we really didn't have to shore up to much to satisfy NADCAP. They are a bit old school with some things but it's all workable.
Actually it's helped us shore up our TS side a bit too; because I like to make the changes company-wide so they have far more reaching impact than just the one facility. With the advent of CQI-9 we are moving in the direction of controls like NADCAP anyway....nothing like the automotive world catching on after a bizillion years....
Congratulations Tom!
Glad to hear that someone can get NADCAP so quick.
By the way, what findings, if any, did you have?
We had a total of 5 major findings and 10 minor findings...sounds like a lot but its about normal for NADCAP. 5 of the minor findings were in the quality system audit. They were mostly for items like procedures not addressing specific AMS specification requirements like double review by independent reviewers for process development and things like that. We did it and had evidence of it but the procedure did not say to do it.
The majors are anytime you do not do what the specification says; one was for not having a signature sheet to verify peoples signatures when they sign a form. You have to have the signatures on file to verify it was actually that person....things like that. Easy fixes.
What was nice about this was we went for NADCAP with urgency becasue a prime aerospace customer needed a NADCAP heat treater in the area. They helped us a bit with advice and we moved really quickly. It was either get this registration and get some business in there or close the plant....we chose to try one last thing to make it successfull and it seems to have worked so far...
FYI - we learned very quickly to black out any and all other documents and text when submitting the changes to documents. If you change one paragraph in a 10 page doc; they will read the whole thing and come back with more questions and possibly findings....so we went Pentagon on them and blacked everything out except the exact change.
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"We're surrounded... that simplifies our problem." Chesty Puller
"For those who fight for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know." --written on a C-ration box found after the siege of Khe Sanh 1968
Does anyone have any experience with NADCAP?
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