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11th July 2004, 02:42 PM
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What Constitutes an Excellent Quality Manual?
One the one side, we have those persons that say "If the Quality Manual says basically what the ISO says, Management has not demonstrated that they have a good understanding of what a QMS is, nor have they taken ownership of their QMS." In fact, I have heard many use the word "lazy".
On the other hand, I have seen remarks where professional QMS personnel have said that they have had a 5 page Quality Manual, and their external certification auditor said is was "The best interpretation of the intent of ISO9001:2000 that he had seen."
Then we have the requirements of ISO 10013, if we haven't forgotten that norm.
So lets do it everyone...
Let us decide once and for all the purpose and content of an excellent Quality Manual.
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11th July 2004, 08:28 PM
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Best Quality Manual
The best quality manual is one that reflects the way business is performed at the company. One of my customers wanted their procedures rolled up in one quality manual and they were happy to have a quality manual of about 35 pages and no procedures.
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12th July 2004, 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DannyK
The best quality manual is one that reflects the way business is performed at the company. One of my customers wanted their procedures rolled up in one quality manual and they were happy to have a quality manual of about 35 pages and no procedures.
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Over the past 20 years, I have looked at literally hundreds of Quality Manuals from both ISO registered organizations and non-registered ones. The Manuals were from customers and suppliers and some "wannabes" in the prospective customer and supplier camps.
In the past six months, I've looked at the various samples of "minimalist" manuals posted here in the Cove.
In my opinion, some organizations are small and tight enough that it makes sense for them to include the few Procedures in the Quality Manual, mixing 1st and 2nd level documents.
Most organizations have too many Procedures to include in a hard copy manual or folks would get a hernia trying to lift it.
Those organizations seeking to attain or retain ISO registration have to produce a manual which serves their internal purposes, but which can be readily understood by a 3rd party auditor.
Many organizations consider "discretion the better part of valor" and create manuals where the 3rd party auditor can find everything in his sleep. This is the school of thought which says if you make an auditor think, he'll find some way to punish you.
Alternately, some folks have embraced the "process" concept of quality and think and depict their systems in flow charts.
The stuff in outmoded pages like endless lists of revisions (to correct typos and name new 3rd vps by name) is absolutely silly and unnecessary. Nobody except a small cadre of "authors" need to know the revision history of a document (to assure they don't invent the same wheel twice.) The document (if it is controlled) should only be available in its latest revision, making the revision history unnecessary. If it isn't controlled, why bother?
Also on my list of time wasters and tree killers are long overblown "mission statements" that sound like they were crafted by beauty pageant contestants: "We will make the world a better place with no war, hunger, hatred, disease, while striving to become the premier, world-class manufacturer of left-handed monkey wrenches."
Ultimately, the only good Quality manual is one that is understood and followed by the organization. In the past, too many "big honking ISO Quality manuals" had their best use as doorstops and ballast for the trunk of your car in icy weather. They were so expensive to print, no one ever gave copies to the employees because: "It's in the Quality Manager's locked office. If you need to refer to it, just call him up at home on Super Bowl weekend, he'll be glad to drive through ice and snow to let you into his office to read it. Of course, you will have to read it in his office while he watches, because those manuals are "controlled" and can't be let out of the office."
Heck, I can envision a one paragraph Quality Manual:
"We try to please our customers by making perfect widgets at a profit so we can stay in business. If the widgets aren't perfect, we'll try to find out how to do the job better and still make a profit. Everybody in our organization agrees to help do this. Ultimately, everything in our organization is the responsibility of the CEO and the Board of Directors, who will delegate authority to others to get the job done."
The worst trap we can put in our path is to close out eyes to something new by saying, "We always did it this way. Everybody else always does it this way."
If we followed that philosophy, we'd all still be dodging saber tooth tigers! (They wouldn't have gone extinct because humans wouldn't have hunted them to extinction with improved weapons.)
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12th July 2004, 08:03 AM
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Wes,
Well said
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12th July 2004, 08:16 AM
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12th July 2004, 11:43 AM
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The most excellent Quality/Systems manual for ISO purposes is a regurgitation of the standard with your company name substituted everywhere it says "the organization". It makes no sense to design a manual and then "shape" it to adhere to the standard. The ISO manual has one sole purpose in my mind, pass the audit with no questions and put it back in the file.
The most excellent Quality/Systems manual for non-ISO purposes is a non-existent one. Of the dozens of manuals I have read over the years, I have never seen one that was actually used by a company to make their products or services better. Overwhelmingly, they sit on a shelf or an e-file and nobody reads them unless they are being audited by a customer. Flowery mission statements and descriptions of how a company is dedicated to customer satisfaction are a hypocritical approach. Wes's one paragraph approach gets my vote.
I would be much more impressed by a company that said what they actually do, rather than what they think the customer wants to hear.
Here is what my perfect quality manual would look like:
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Sorry, after 15 years in Quality I fail to see the usefulness of the rhetoric in that level of document.
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12th July 2004, 11:50 AM
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My simple opinion is the Level 1 Quality Manual does not have to be perfect to the third party auditor - it has to be good for business to the organization that uses it. If a company uses it for what it is intended for - establishing the policies for the organization (not just ISO / TS / QS / AS). Useful manuals that giude the organization into lower level documents and that can guide customer / third party to understand the system and follow the system.
Simply put it has to be good for business and make sense for the business.
As asked previsously - why go through the motions of re-writing the standards with your company name on it - make it useful.
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Tom,
I hear what you are saying, but you could do a pretty good job of guiding a thid party through the system with a rudimentary flowchart. I really can't conceive of any question a customer or auditor would ask that I would choose the Quality manual as my source for an answer. I would go directly to a procedure level document to describe the processes. Even with the ISO 2000 rev. in 4.2.2 C requiring a description of the "interaction" of the processes, most manuals I have seen just give a sequence of processes and a breif definition of each. Of what use is that to the business?
If you have a manual that makes your product higher quality or increases your profits, I say go with it, but I have not seen one that would adversely affect Quality if it were thrown in the trash.
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