|
|
 |
|

7th March 2000, 07:47 PM
|
|
|
Gage R&R with a unilateral specification tolerance - What about the other limit?
How can we calculate the R&R to a gauge if the process where is used only has unilateral tolerance? i.e. min 35 Lb-in
|

9th March 2000, 04:33 PM
|
|
|
In the R&R process, the values are recorded and tabulated, the result is expressed as a percentage of the total tolerance. If the Low end of the tolerance is "0" and the high end of the tolerance is (-35) the absolute value of the total tolerance is "35". When the R&R Values are computed, squared and added together, then the square root is taken and divided by the tolerance, the resulting number is the gage R&R percentage.
10% is excellent, 11-30% is acceptable based upon the application, but should be closely monitored, and 31% or greater is unacceptable.
|

9th March 2000, 07:04 PM
|
|
|
Understand what you say, and that work if you have only specified the limit at the high side of the spec, but what happen when you have only the low side of the spec.?
|

11th March 2000, 11:57 AM
|
|
|
|
Perhaps you could use the actual error as a guide. When you calculate a GR&R, you get 2 values, the actual error and a percent of tolerance. With respect to your minimum requirement of 35lb-in, if the actual error in your R&R in this case is say 3lb-in, and you can demonstrate that your process is capable to +38lb-in minimum, then the actual gage error of 3 will not cause you to accept bad product. Sign it off and make parts.
|

31st March 2009, 10:25 AM
|
|
Shy Poster (1 to 5 Posts)
Registration Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK
|
|
Posts: 3
Thanks Given to Others: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Karma Power: 3 Karma: 10 
|
|
Re: Gage R&R with a unilateral specification tolerance - What about the other limit?
Would this apply equally to leakage?
The maximum allowable is 4 ml min
Above 4ml min the part is rejected.
Attribute wise the gauge is capable, but our customer insists on
variable gauge R&R.
This is causing a headache, as my results are well over 30%
Simon
|

31st March 2009, 11:09 AM
|
 |
Send Martini's !!!!!!!
Registration Date: Feb 2002
Location: Wine Country, NY
Age: 38
|
|
Posts: 201
Thanks Given to Others: 1
Thanked 23 Times in 19 Posts
Karma Power: 42
|
|
Re: Gage R&R with a unilateral specification tolerance - What about the other limit?
In my opinion, if the test for Product Conformity is Pass/Fail, regardless of registering a value, then an Attribute Study would apply. Your product doesn't perform any better at 41 than at 37, so you just need to hit that minimum target. That's why the specification is written as such. That is, only if the test doesn’t destruct the product or compromises the integrity. If that is the case, a Gage R&R couldn't appropriately be conducted, as the Reference Values could change during the study. In these cases, I have simply illustrated this to the customer and shown them records of calibrations to show that the load cell performs to the specification being used. Good Luck and let us know how you make out.
__________________
Operator Error cannot be the Root Cause. Oh, unless you're a Pilot.
|
|
Thanks to noboxwine for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
|
|

31st March 2009, 11:26 AM
|
 |
Stop X-bar/R Madness
Registration Date: May 2002
Location: LaGrange, OH
|
|
Posts: 2,088
Thanks Given to Others: 680
Thanked 563 Times in 469 Posts
Karma Power: 150
|
|
Re: Gage R&R with a unilateral specification tolerance - What about the other limit?
Quote:
Originally Posted by simonchisholm55
Would this apply equally to leakage?
The maximum allowable is 4 ml min
Above 4ml min the part is rejected.
This is causing a headache, as my results are well over 30%
|
What pressure is this test run at?
|

31st March 2009, 11:29 AM
|
|
Shy Poster (1 to 5 Posts)
Registration Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK
|
|
Posts: 3
Thanks Given to Others: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Karma Power: 3 Karma: 10 
|
|
Re: Gage R&R with a unilateral specification tolerance - What about the other limit?
Test pressure is 1.38 bar +/- 60mb
|
Lower Navigation Bar
|
|
|
|
Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors and 1 Unregistered Guests)
|
|
|
| Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
|
| Display Modes |
Rate Thread Content |
Linear Mode
|
|
Posting Settings
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
|