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Marketing Requirements vs Product Specifications

I'm pretty confuse, what do you think would be the first document to release in document control, a marketing requirement document or a product specifications? Our web based system is requiring us to release first the product specs but our product development procedure is marketing reqmnts first before product specs? Please help

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I'm pretty confuse, what do you think would be the first document to release in document control, a marketing requirement document or a product specifications? Our web based system is requiring us to release first the product specs but our product development procedure is marketing reqmnts first before product specs? Please help
If I understand you correctly, the software you use for issuing documents has a "lock" which dictates the order in which documents "should" be created and will prevent you from issuing a document type out of order.

If it were my organization, I would first approach the software creator to seek a modification of the "rule" describing the order in which documents are created and released. If that failed, I would look at a short-term "workaround" while I sought new software. A workaround which springs to mind:
Create a "draft" product specs document which clearly identifies it as DRAFT, then create and issue the REAL desired document (marketing requirements.) Go back and modify the draft document when ready.
In my opinion, software must serve the organization's business plan, not vice-versa. It is silly to try and adapt your business system to meet someone else's idea of process flow.

The days of computer/geek tyrants running around in white lab coats and working in super air conditioned rooms is long gone. The organization must be in control of its processes.
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Thanks Wes! I'll follow your advice, that's really a good idea. I'll create it as a draft for now and talk to the tech support to correct the problem.

One more thing, does Marketing requirement fall under ISO's 7.2.3?

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Consider this the feedback and evaluation we need to fine tune our advice to help the next person who has a similar problem. In nearly forty years of business, I have changed and refined my own practices many times to meet changing conditions. Advice I would have given even five years ago would be obsolete today. I don't ever want to be some relic who pontificates by beginning every sentence, "Back in my day . . ."

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