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si kang Lurker (<10 Posts) Posts: 6 |
posted 11 May 1999 01:06 AM
   
Hello, sir I am QA engineer who is in charge of SPC activity in the field of semiconductor assembly in korea. The question is that I heard that there is a new procability capability index not Cpk. That is Cpm(Taguchi process cability index) which is from A.I.A.G Manual and JMP Statistical software. Exactly,I know the meaning of Cpm and what the calculation is. If possible, Could you specify your answer on the above my questions.
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Don Winton Forum Contributor Posts: 498 |
posted 11 May 1999 09:46 AM
I have never heard of 'Taguchi Process Capability Index' but I have heard of Cpm. Process capability index Cpm is used when a target value other than the center of the specification spread has been designated as desirable. Maybe AIAG has modified the Loss Function equations to relate to process capability. Perhaps some QS folks could elaborate as that I stay away from AIAG's stuff as much as possible. Regards, ------------------ Check Out dWizard's Lair: IP: Logged |
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Batman Forum Contributor Posts: 111 |
posted 11 May 1999 06:16 PM
As far as AIAG, I know that Cpm is mentioned in the QS9000 SPC manual, but only mentioned. It does not seem to be popular with the automotive folks. I remember reading about it some years ago, but it was not top on the list, so I recall little. Don has more than I remember. If you need Cpm capability software, my company has used Statgraphics for many years, and it reports Cpm with the capability study module. IP: Logged |
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Don Winton Forum Contributor Posts: 498 |
posted 12 May 1999 12:04 AM
I checked AIAG, Alta Vista and JMP and cannot find any reference to 'Taguchi' and 'Process Capability' anywhere (linked together, anyway). Perhaps you were misinformed. You can find additional information on Cpm at: *** Dead Link Removed *** which may (or may not) help. Regards, ------------------ Check Out dWizard's Lair: IP: Logged |
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si kang Lurker (<10 Posts) Posts: 6 |
posted 14 May 1999 01:27 AM
Hello, Thank you for your reply on the Cpm. But I have wondering about Cpm calculation with target value. If one side spec limit exists, how could the calculation be? The reason is that Cp=(USL-LSL)/6*SIGMA. in case of only existing USL or LSL,the index of Cp is not available. Eventually, Cp can be calculated from having both two sides spec limit such as USL and LSL. Is there any alternative or not? To get Cpm for measuring process capability , It is necessary to have two sides spec limit not one side. And Batman has mentioned Cpm not popular in automotive site for measuring process. only automotive site or not? Could you Please confirm the above my questions? Thanks in advance. IP: Logged |
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Don Winton Forum Contributor Posts: 498 |
posted 14 May 1999 09:55 AM
quote: If a one sided specification limit exists, you use Cpk(max), sometimes referred to as Cpku, or Cpk(min), sometimes referred to as Cpkl. Cpk(max) = (USL-Xbar)/(3*s) Cpk(min) = (Xbar-LSL)/(3*s)
quote: Correct only in that the calculation for Cpm requires Cp in the numerator. As I mentioned earlier, Cpm is used when the target value is not the center of the specification spread. Perhaps this will help: Cp = (USL-LSL)/(6*s); Process capability when Xbar = Specification center Cpk = Minimum[(USL-Xbar)/(3*s);(Xbar-LSL)/(3*s)]; Process capability when Xbar <> Specification center Cpk(max) = (USL-Xbar)/(3*s); Process capability for USL only Cpk(min) = (Xbar-LSL)/(3*s); Process capability for LSL only Cpm = Cp/[1+((Xbar-T)^2/s^2)]; Where T is the target value. Explained above.
quote: Cpm is not popular anywhere because it usually means the process is running off-target and the calculation is made to the off-target value rather that the preferred target value. Regards, ------------------ Check Out dWizard's Lair: IP: Logged |
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si kang Lurker (<10 Posts) Posts: 6 |
posted 17 May 1999 08:00 AM
Hello, Thank you for your continuous and quick response on my question. You have mentioned that "Cpm is not popular anywhere because it usually means that the process is running off-target value and calculation is made to the off-target value rather that the preferred target value." Thanks & best regards. IP: Logged |
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Don Winton Forum Contributor Posts: 498 |
posted 18 May 1999 10:57 AM
quote: My explanation above is not very clear and stems from my personal applications of process capability. No apologies necessary. I should expound upon the use of Cpm. Most of my references are rather vague on Cpm as it is not a popular measure of process capability. Thus, the following is not from any official reference I could find, but it seems the logical one. I believe the original concept of Cpm comes from the application of unilateral and bilateral tolerances. A bilateral tolerance expresses the value as a target value and a range, i.e. 2.0cm +/- 0.1 cm, with the target value and the center of the specification being equal. For bilateral tolerances, Cp or Cpk are applicable. Unilateral tolerances are given as a target value and a single limit, i.e. 2.0cm +0.0cm/-0.1cm. For unilateral tolerances, Cpku and Cpkl are applicable (other expressions are CpU and CpL, respectively). I believe Cpm came from a variation of the bilateral tolerance. Tolerances are expressed as a target and a nonsymmetrical range, i.e. 2.0cm +0.2cm/-0.1cm. In this case, 2.0 cm is the target but is not the center of the tolerance (2.05cm is the center). From the definition of Cpm above, "·target value other than the center of the specification spread has been designated as desirable." However, nonsymmetrical tolerances are rarely used in these days of CAD, so it appears that Cpm is also rare, thus rarely used. Suggestion: Forget Cpm all together and use the four basic definitions of process capability. Besides, if it is indeed from the "A.I.A.G Manual," I personally would not put a lot of stock in it. Regards, ------------------ Check Out dWizard's Lair: IP: Logged |
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Don Winton Forum Contributor Posts: 498 |
posted 22 May 1999 03:35 PM
si kang, Did my last reponse answer your questions? Regards, ------------------ Check Out dWizard's Lair: IP: Logged |
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si kang Lurker (<10 Posts) Posts: 6 |
posted 09 June 1999 08:11 AM
Hello, Pls reconfirmation Cpm formula, the difference is whether denominator has square root or not as below two formula seeming alike. which is correct? Cpm=(Cp)/[(1+((Xbar-T)**2)/(S**2))] or Cpm=(Cp)/{sqrt[(1+((Xbar-T)**2)/(S**2)))] and today, I have two questions to you. Another question, how to determine the target value? Your quick response will be highly appreciated. Thanks & best rgds. IP: Logged |
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Don Winton Forum Contributor Posts: 498 |
posted 10 June 1999 02:36 PM
quote: Cpm=(Cp)/[(1+((Xbar-T)**2)/(S**2))]
quote: Since there is a relationship between Cp and dpm, there must be a relationship between Cpm and dpm. But, none of my references give it and I am not going to try to derive it. I am not a mathematician and am prone to error.
quote: No rules. The method used best suits your operations.
quote: The method used best suits your operations.
quote: The method used best suits your operations.
quote: From above:
quote: Change from suggestion to recommendation. Anything that causes this much confusion cannot be worth it. Regards, ------------------ Check Out dWizard's Lair: IP: Logged |
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Marc Smith Cheech Wizard Posts: 4119 |
posted 19 February 2001 06:33 AM
For a good thread on Cp, Cpk, Ppk, etc., see: http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000001.html IP: Logged |
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