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Marc Smith
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posted 05 June 2001 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone have any details on, or comments abour, AFD? I ask after seeing the following on the quality NG.

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From: "Michael Schlueter"
Newsgroups: misc.industry.quality
Subject: Re: working examples of FMEA?
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 10:35:36 +0200
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Tino, Alan,

May I challenge our common sense?

Then look for AFD (Anticipatory Failure Determination). It is about
inventing all failures that can occure within a given system. It originates
from the so-called sabotage technique and is very strong in revealing the
relevant mechanisms of desasters, together with the required and available
resources.

Many available ways for a system to create desaster, once the required
conditions are met, will keep hidden from FMEA processes.

Many real-life FMEA's I have seen reflect Alan's remark: people try to
formulate their common sense into the FMEA-formalism. The result is
complicated, unprecise and sometimes simply wrong. You can prevent those
results effectively with AFD: it gives a high degree of precision and
correctness.

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Sam
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posted 05 June 2001 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sam   Click Here to Email Sam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marc, With this post maybe should revisit "FMEA II"

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Marc Smith
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posted 05 June 2001 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did review that thread, but saw nothing better defining AFD. I'm a bit confused about what is being said - about exactly what AFD is and is about.

I'll do an internet search later today and if I find anything specific I'll post it.

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Al Dyer
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posted 05 June 2001 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Dyer   Click Here to Email Al Dyer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try the following address:
http://www.triz-journal.com/archives/2000/06/c/

ASD...

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Marc Smith
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posted 05 June 2001 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also found http://www.triz-journal.com/archives/1999/10/a/ on the site.

Yeah - it's making sense now.

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