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Marc Smith Cheech Wizard Posts: 4119 |
For those of you with uncertainty dancing in your dreams, here are some thread segments. If you read thru them, it's an education in uncertainty. These are culled from the listserve iso25@quality.org (Greg Gogates < iso25@fasor.com >). It's sorta a nice collection of thoughts. They don't have extensions and should load in your browser (depends upon your preferences) - and if you 'download' one (or more) file, you can open it (them) in your favourite text editor. Plain, vanilla ascii (.txt if you will) files. [This message has been edited by Marc Smith (edited 13 November 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:24:16 -0700 From: "Dr. Howard Castrup" To: 'Greg Gogates' Subject: RE: Uncertainty book help Amanda, There are two basic procedures that I know of that are available on-line. One is found at our web site at www.isgmax.com/unc_broc.htm and the other can be found at the Quametec site at www.quametec.com/uncproc.htm. There is also commercially available software that may help you out. The packages that I hear mentioned most frequently are 1. GUM Workbench from the Danish Technological Institute www.gum.dk/e-wb-home/gw_home.html 2. UncertaintyCalculator from Compaq www.callabmag.com/Freeware.html#anchor221094 3. UncertaintyAnalyzer from ISG www.isgmax.com/unc_broc.htm. If you are interested in uncertainty analysis training that covers both principles and the use of uncertainty analysis software, we are giving a four-day class in early November that you might be interested in. If so, please go to www.isgmax.com/training.htm. Quametec is also offering training next month - see www.quametec.com/MUseminar1.htm. Howard Castrup IP: Logged |
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Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:25:13 +0200 From: Sven Nytoft Rasmussen To: 'Greg Gogates' Subject: SV: Uncertainty book help Books on measurement uncertainty, here are two rather new ones, not included in the bibliography which Ralph Veale made available: The book by Coleman and Steele is quite helpful. The authors do not adhere to the internationally agreed terms, however. Examples are mostly from thermodynamics, fluid flow etc. Hugh W. Coleman and W. Glenn Steele: "Experimentation and Uncertainty Analysis for Engineeers". 2nd. ed. John Wiley & Sons, 1999, ISBN 0-471-12146-0 The book by Adunka strictly follows the GUM method by ISO. It is, as far as I know, available in German only. Adunka's examples are mostly from metering in respect of legal metrology like e.g. heat meters for district heating, calibration of household gas meter etc. Franz Adunka: "Messunsicherheiten, Theorie und Praxis, 1st ed. Vulkan Verlag, 1998, ISBN 3-8027-2186-1. Sincerely yours Sven Nytoft Rasmussen, Ph.D. Tlf. +45 43 50 44 40 You are welcome to check http://www.gum.dk for furhter information. IP: Logged |
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Marc Smith Cheech Wizard Posts: 4119 |
Subject: Re: Calibration Issues for Small Firms /Scalies/Hellmann Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:37:06 -0600 From: Moderator From: JJH2000@aol.com Charley, MEASUREMENT UNCERTAINTY is a rather obscure concept because it is precisely what we strive to and assume is eliminated whenever a measurement is taken of a unknown process variable. No one wants to hear that the temperature of water boiling in a pot is sorta 100 degrees Celcius, "give-or-take" 1 degree, or maybe 2 degrees, or 3 degress....and so on. There are many variables that would determine and effect the temperature measurement such as, the elevation above sea leavel, the ambient air pressure around the pot, the degree of accuracy of the temperature measuring device, its degree of precision giving the same indication every time given the same conditions, and so on. It's this "give-or-take" that is the uncertainty of the measurement. To make an anology, a proficient archer can consistently hit a smaller area of the larger target. But even Robin Hood didn't split his arrow with every other arrow shot. But he was good at hitting the bulls eye everytime, or so the legend goes. The bulls eye, itself, is not a point in space, but rather a very small area of the whole target. To consistenly hit a 1 inch diameter circle at 30 yards, would be the standard for the proficient archer. If Robin utilized his archery skills in hunting, for example, the results would be consistent. The deer would fall every time, and venison would be turning on the spit back at camp every evening. We can quantify and define the MEASUREMENT UNCERTAINTY of Robin's skill by the documenting the size of the bulls eye. Now the issue becomes how does one quantify and define MEASUREMENT UNCERTAINTY, to make it "known". That is something you must decide. What is the acceptable % error accuracy of your instrumentation? It is determined by the needs of the process being measured. What is an acceptable percent of the total range for error? I maintain a 0.25% of total range for acceptable accuracy. In other words, the instrument I am calibrating must indicate the same value as the instruments of standard (certified by NIST) within 0.25% of the range being measured. For a 0 to 100 degree Celcius ranged instrument, it must be within 0.25 degrees of the reading of the standarized instrument, or else it fails. This standard has validity in the pharmaceutical, petrochemical and chemical process control environments where I work. But it might not be appropriate for you. Why, for example, should you spend hundreds, thousands, of dollars for a 0.25% accuracy temperature instrumentation device to cook your Thanksgiving turkey when a $3 thermometer from the drug store would be perfectly adequate? The knowing of the MEASUREMENT UNCERTAINTY is the quantified and documented size of the bulls eye that works for you. John IP: Logged |
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