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LM unregistered |
So far, we have been doing internal calibration and just defining the acceptance criteria. Due to the recent ISO 9000 Quality System audit by the local certification body,they say that we have to state the measurement uncertainty each time we perform calibration based on the clause 4.11. I am trying to seek the correct and simplest method of calculating the uncertainty.I would appreciate if somebody could help me. In addition to that, how do we know that the measurement uncertainty is acceptable or not. Thanks IP: Logged |
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Lassitude Forum Contributor Posts: 89 |
I'll see what I can dig up on uncertainty, but I hope some others will have some knowledge to share about measurement uncertainty. This could use some good discussion. IP: Logged |
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Dawn Forum Contributor Posts: 245 |
I have been told by statistical experts to do a gage r & r but I don't know what to do from there. What does that tell me? IP: Logged |
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Don Winton Forum Contributor Posts: 498 |
A search of this forum found this, in no particular order: http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000089.html http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000144.html http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000036.html http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000047.html http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000073.html http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/000000.html Regards, [This message has been edited by Marc Smith (edited 03 April 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Marc Smith Cheech Wizard Posts: 4119 |
A Gage R&R (or Gage R where automated) tells you how much variation is in your measurement system as a per cent of tolerance used. There is: Equipment (Gage) Variation (EV), and Let's say your EV is 10% and your AV is 15%. You have 25% of your tolerance taken up in variation. You also have to consider Measurement Uncertainty - kinda a black art right now. IP: Logged |
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LM unregistered |
Thanks for the search forum and all the input gave. I would appreciate if anyone has additional information. IP: Logged |
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BRoyal Forum Contributor Posts: 22 |
NIST Technical Note 1297, "Guidelines for Evaluating and Expressing the Uncertainty of NIST Measurement Results," can be downloaded off their site. It addresses such subjects as the classification of uncertainty components, combined standard uncertainty and expanded uncertainty. Appendix E is particularly helpful. Ben Royal IP: Logged |
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Marc Smith Cheech Wizard Posts: 4119 |
NIST is at: www.nist.gov/ Also at NIST, check out: www.physics.nist.gov/cuu/Uncertainty/index.html [This message has been edited by Marc Smith (edited 17 July 1999).] IP: Logged |
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Dawn Forum Contributor Posts: 245 |
I have been through all these websites and I still am unsure how I am going to express this to a QS Auditor in 3 days for Assessment Registration. Maybe because I'm blonde, but I need down to earth language so I can explain how we are doing it down to earth-I am sure to take a hit for this. Thanks for the help! IP: Logged |
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Carlos Mora Lurker (<10 Posts) Posts: 1 |
NIST covers uncertainty in a technical note. Check http://www.physics.nist.gov/Pubs/guidelines/preface.html IP: Logged |
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Marc Smith Cheech Wizard Posts: 4119 |
Also see: http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000036.html and http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000047.html and http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000072.html IP: Logged |
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David Drue Stauffer Forum Contributor Posts: 25 |
This may help you some:
Reproducibility: The reproducibility was calculated from thirty readings (10 each from three technicians) utilizing gage blocks, thread wires, super-micrometer and a 1-14 UNS-2A thread set plug. The standard deviation for the reproducibility was calculated at 11.6 micro-inches (.0000116ä). Should add the uncertainty of the S-mic when recâd - Resolution: The resolution of the super-micrometer providing the value for measurement over wires is 10 micro-inches. We assume a rectangular distribution, that is, the error is equally likely to be any value between 0 & 10uä. The guide to measurement uncertainty instructs to divide by the square root of three to convert a rectangular distribution to one standard deviation of 5.77 micro-inches. Gage blocks: The blocks used in the calibration of plug gage diameters are grade one. In the calibration of a 1ä thread plug gage we need only the 1ä gage blocks. We will assume that the block value can be anywhere within the +/- 2uä tolerance of the block. We will also allow this tolerance to expand by the 1.3uä (1/2 of the k=2 value) uncertainty reported on the gage block certification. Therefore the gage block tolerance plus the uncertainty was divided by the square root of three to get to one standard deviation of 1.91 micro-inch. Thread wires: Wires used were supplied at size with an uncertainty value of 12 micro-inches. As this value is reported at two standard deviations will bring to one standard deviation for the completion of this budget. Force applied: A reproducibility study was conducted on the effect of force in relation to the digital values displayed on the super-micrometer. The study consisted of three operators with ten readings each. This test produced a standard deviation of 5 micro-inches. Anvil parallelism: The super-micrometers anvils have a parallelism requirement of 20 micro-inches of which is routinely verified through calibration. Assuming the worst condition and a rectangular distribution, we can arrive at one standard deviation of 11.55 micro-inches. Temperature: The gage blocks used are made of chromium carbide which carries a coefficient of expansion that is approximately 4.7 x 10-6. The majority of thread plug gages cycling through our metrology lab are made primarily of steel which carries a coefficient of expansion that is approximately 6.4 x 10-6. For the purpose of this study we will use the 1ä block size. We will assume that all components have been stabilized to the room environment of 68o +/- 1o F. As the temperature sensing device has itâs own uncertainty of 05 o, we will use 1.05o temperature error. In this scenario we receive an error of 4.9 micro-inches on the block and 6.7 micro-inches on the thread plug gage. Using the difference of we can provide a rectangular distribution and arrive at one standard deviation of 1.04 micro-inches. Uncertainty Budget for Thread Pitch Diameter Calibration All Values expressed in micro-inches Source ofUncertainty Standard Deviation Limits Uncertaintyãuä ãu2ä IP: Logged |
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Marc Smith Cheech Wizard Posts: 4119 |
Ah! A wizard! The detail is appreciated! I hope you stop by often! IP: Logged |
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Dawn Forum Contributor Posts: 245 |
Is there some way to determine the uncertinty right off the Gage R & R calculations? And how would you suggest we state it in every work instruction? Thanks!!!!! IP: Logged |
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Marc Smith Cheech Wizard Posts: 4119 |
quote:I would love an answer from an expertas well! IP: Logged |
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Ryan Wilde unregistered |
Measurement uncertainty, as it applies to calibration, is a bit more than a gage r&r. I see that a few posts have already pointed you to the method, but I also saw the word "easy" in there somewhere. To this end, there is a FREEWARE uncertainty calculator program available. It was developed at Compaq Metrology, and conforms to ANSI/NCSL Z540-2 and the GUM. The program is in two parts, to ease installation from floppy disks. Go to http://www.proficiency.org and click the "Software Download" page. The program is "Uncertainty Calculator 2.5". The program will not teach you the ins and outs of uncertainty budgets, such as proper distribution for contributors or effective degrees of freedom, but it does make the calculation process very simple once you do have the knowledge. I hope this helps. Ryan Wilde IP: Logged |
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