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Old 29th January 2009, 09:59 AM
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Please Help! ISO 9001:2008 and AS9100 combined Quality Manual (Systems Manual)

I am working with a company working toward AS9100. Consultant wants to have a Quality Manual that supports both ISO9001:2008 and AS9100.

I have tried to tell the consultant that the manual is not required to support both, as AS9100 incorporates ISO9001 requirements. He contines to push the dual aspect of the manaul.

I have never seen a combinaton ISO/AS9100 manual before. Has anyone run across this situation?

He feels that 3rd party certification body will overlook the not applicable standard when auditing? Example if going for ISO cert the auditor will ignore AS9100 requirements?

Thouhts?

Paul

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Old 29th January 2009, 10:08 AM
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Re: AS9100 Quality Manual

As you said, AS9100 includes all of ISO 9001. This means that an AS9100 manual would by definition address both standards. Every AS9100 manual I have ever seen could be considered a "combination" manual. I'm not quite sure where the conflict is...
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Old 29th January 2009, 10:48 AM
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Re: AS9100 Quality Manual

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I am working with a company working toward AS9100. Consultant wants to have a Quality Manual that supports both ISO9001:2008 and AS9100.

I have tried to tell the consultant that the manual is not required to support both, as AS9100 incorporates ISO9001 requirements. He contines to push the dual aspect of the manaul.

I have never seen a combinaton ISO/AS9100 manual before. Has anyone run across this situation?

He feels that 3rd party certification body will overlook the not applicable standard when auditing? Example if going for ISO cert the auditor will ignore AS9100 requirements?

Thouhts?

Paul
Howste is correct. If your system is based upon AS9100 it will meet the requirements of ISO9001.

My suggestion: If your Consultant is driving this, tell your consultant to take a hike. They really don't know what they are talking about in regards to AS9100/ISO9001 Manual, in my opinion.

Our AS9100 Certificate also reflects ISO9001:2000.

Last edited by Coury Ferguson; 29th January 2009 at 11:15 AM.
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Old 29th January 2009, 11:21 AM
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If your Consultant is driving this, tell your consultant to take a hike. They really don't know what they are talking about in regards to AS9100/ISO9001 Manual, in my opinion.
Actually, the consultant's advice is sound. There is no reason for multiple manuals.
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Old 29th January 2009, 11:25 AM
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Actually, the consultant's advice is sound. There is no reason for multiple manuals.
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<snip> He contines to push the dual aspect of the manaul.
Am I misinterpreting what is being said (my emphasis in bold)?
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Old 29th January 2009, 11:27 AM
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Am I misinterpreting what is being said (my emphasis in bold)?
I think so.
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Consultant wants to have a Quality Manual that supports both ISO9001:2008 and AS9100.
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Old 29th January 2009, 12:41 PM
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Re: ISO9001:2008 and AS9100 combined Quality Manual

For all who have answered for clarification

The consultant wants the manual to be specific to both ISO9001 and AS9100.

Paul
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Old 29th January 2009, 12:45 PM
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For all who have answered for clarification

The consultant wants the manual to be specific to both ISO9001 and AS9100.

Paul
I still think I am a little confused here.

Does the Consultant want the Manual to address both requirements? If so, develop it in accordance with AS9100, then it will meet both AS9100 and ISO9001.

Or does the consultant want two separate Manuals to address ISO9001 and AS9100?
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