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Old 30th August 2017, 06:17 AM
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Re: Complying with AS9100 D Section 8.4.3 m. Ensuring that persons are Aware of...

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Because the standard (both ISO 9001 and AS9100) says "The organization shall communicate to external providers its requirements for..." the items listed, it never required each of a-m to be flowed down even before the clarification was published unless the organization had requirements for each. The short story is that if the organization has a requirement, it must be flowed down. If not, there is no requirement to flow it.

If the writers of the standard wanted all of them to be flowed down, they should have said "The organization shall communicate to external providers requirements for..."

Of course, misguided registrants will always try to pull fast ones regardless of the interpretation.
I had not noticed this thread earlier or I would have commented sooner. As Howste pointed out this list for 8.4.3 still is an "as applicable" list based on the definition of "its" (The organization shall communicate "its" requirements for . . . ).

My reading of this is that if the organization has requirements for anything on that list then they need to tell their supplier about it.

Interestingly enough I have already had a conversation with one CB on this topic concerning 8.4.3e (control and monitoring of the external provider's performance to be applied by the organization) always applies. Their position is that the need to track supplier performance is already established and so since the organization has a method of tracking supplier performance that method must be told to the supplier.

I don't agree. I believe that all of 8.4.3 hinges on if the organization has a requirement to flow down the requirement based on the definition of "its".

Maybe they are taking lessons from Bill Clinton on his definition of "is".

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Old 13th March 2018, 08:49 AM
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Re: Complying with AS9100 D Section 8.4.3 m. Ensuring that persons are Aware of...

How does this woerk when purchasing standard catalog parts?
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Old 13th March 2018, 01:36 PM
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Re: Complying with AS9100 D Section 8.4.3 m. Ensuring that persons are Aware of...

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How does this woerk when purchasing standard catalog parts?
CYA - Flow down the requirements or as most companies do - place the requirements on your website - make a reference on your PO to read the conditions. Once they sign the PO - they have agreed to the requirements.
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