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Old 14th August 2017, 01:45 PM
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Are you referring to "cargo hooks"?

If so, they are externally mounted on helicopters, most likely a combination of electrically/mechanically operated, and with very little potential of creating a FOD problem. The #1 reason for very little FOD potential is because they operate in a high FOD producing environment with dirt, rocks, stick, and every other kind of rubbish blowing around them during cargo operations.

I am a mechanic (A&P), and I've installed, used and removed cargo hooks from a variety of helicopters close to 40 years.

But, there is very little reason to not have a strong FOD program when making anything that goes on an aircraft other than trying to do stuff on the cheap, and a piece of metal or other rubbish could cause a catastrophic problem if a hook couldn't function properly and the aircrew was prevented from "pickling" its load during an emergency as illustrated in the attached photo.

The bird had a problem, the cargo hook didn't release and this is the end result. The cargo hook didn't cause the problem but having to ride the load added to the damage and loss of life.

FOD is never a joke especially if you've survived like I have.

So I want to be clear as to what I'm hearing:

Because it is a cargo hook, and externally attached to the helicopter, it is very unlikely that a dangerous FOD situation would occur. It could, but it's unlikely. This makes having a fully developed FOD program somewhat unnecessary, however, because it is a manufacturing company working on aerospace products, there is no reason why they shouldn't have a FOD program fully implemented.


After reading through everyones responses, I am inclined to believe that it isn't completely necessary because we are not working directly with aircraft, but, there is no draw back to having a FOD program (this is what I want anyway)...Hopefully this is the correct track as we have a meeting today to go over our internal audit results and this is going to get brought up then and has been a huge point of contention between employees.

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Old 14th August 2017, 03:30 PM
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So I want to be clear as to what I'm hearing:

Because it is a cargo hook, and externally attached to the helicopter, it is very unlikely that a dangerous FOD situation would occur. It could, but it's unlikely. This makes having a fully developed FOD program somewhat unnecessary, however, because it is a manufacturing company working on aerospace products, there is no reason why they shouldn't have a FOD program fully implemented.


After reading through everyones responses, I am inclined to believe that it isn't completely necessary because we are not working directly with aircraft, but, there is no draw back to having a FOD program (this is what I want anyway)...Hopefully this is the correct track as we have a meeting today to go over our internal audit results and this is going to get brought up then and has been a huge point of contention between employees.
Even though the hook itself may not be prone to FOD issues, aircraft manufacturers will not be happy if they open a crate of hooks that has machining chips inside that can spread to their assembly operations.
Thanks to howste for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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Old 14th August 2017, 04:27 PM
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Even though the hook itself may not be prone to FOD issues, aircraft manufacturers will not be happy if they open a crate of hooks that has machining chips inside that can spread to their assembly operations.
I completely agree -- I'm going to recommend that they, at the VERY LEAST, have a FOD Control area where they assemble the hooks and where the hooks are prepared for shipment as to mitigate the possibility of this happening.
Thanks to kjoberk for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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Old 16th August 2017, 07:53 AM
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Very good decision
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